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Message ID: 9857
Date: 2015-07-17

Author:Michael Durfee

Subject:Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move them less often? How?

I am a child psychiatrist and worked as such in MacLaren Hall 1975-76. I eventually left to see to leave to see where they came from and where they went. I gave my business card to children and teens, who seemed most lonesome. I told them to write me and tell me what happened. Mostly my card was lost in the wash. Few called but I was a person in their live. Sadly some came back to MadLaren as their home. They would look up their favorite staff. “Im home!” They needed people who did not disappear.. I wanted them to be more open to seeing a doctor and gave them a good experience if I could. One girl age 16 with 16 placement was helped to volunteer in a preschool. She ran again but called back to see that the kids were ok. She had a value and was missed when she was not there. Little kids ,old people, handicapped people and some animals can give them that. A female volunteer, about age 50, was on the MacLaren campus helping with a program. She was distracted and anxious. “Are you OK?" got me a sad face…she responded slowly… "I was here… I was about… 7"… I told her of changes to help her remember and asked who was nice to her (my favorite question for children in MacLaren). She said a lady helped her. “She understood”. I asked for more, the lady worked in the food line. I asked what she did to show she understood got me a pause, then… “she (pause) gave me extra beans” (smile). I was left with the image of a food line lady, making eye as she spooned out the correct portion of beans, them smiled and gave her more. That was there in her mind decades later. I suggest 1 Give kids your card, 2 ask them to help you (carry something or make your mobile phone ring. 3 send them a birthday card. 4 send their mother a mothers day card. (cards are particularly important when people go to prison or jail 5 If they call, write or email you , respond, asks them if they got another dog. Talk to them and listen. Do what you might do if you did not have a graduate degree Don’t promise to change their life unless your actually can. . Don’t be their parent, be a distant cousin or former neighbor. A preschool staff told me “The most important object to be in the world of a child is… a comfortable adult.” we will continue with multiple placements Computers and good data might help to slow that down.(canyhou tell how many girls in placement are pregnant or have a child>, ‘can you tell which kids coming in the system are there in part because of a death and do you have a systems to get them to the funeral or to visit the grave?) if we are in the role of parent we should know if our daughter has a baby or if our want to go th a funeral of someone he or she loves. Michael Durfee MD ICAN Los Angeles michaeld55@aol.com On Jul 16, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Deane, Melissa > wrote: “Least restrictive environment” = least expensive environment. The child has to prove that they cannot be maintained in foster care, meaning a history of multiple foster care disruptions, before they can be considered for group home setting. Melissa Deane McNabb, LICSW Social Work Supervisor Child Protection Team Boston Medical Center T) 617-414-3663 F) 617-414-3648 P) 617-638-5795 ID# 2874 From: bounce-119457618-43975615@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-119457618-43975615@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of beth peters Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:56 AM To: Child Maltreatment Researchers Subject: Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move them less often? How? One of the problems I noticed is that there is a push by CPS to move children into the "least restrictive environment" meaning a foster home when the child thrives and prefers a group home setting. Beth Peters, PhD Licensed Psychologist 10090 Garrison St Westminster, CO 80021 303-704-3612 www.drbethpeters.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email contains information from the sender that may be confidential, legally privileged, proprietary or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email is intended for use only by the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, printing, or any action taken in reliance on the contents of this email, is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sending party by replying in an email to the sender, delete the email from your computer system and destroy any paper copies of the printed email. ________________________________ From: Kristen Johnson > To: Child Maltreatment Researchers > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: RE: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move them less often? How? We at NCCD have conducted research for two jurisdictions that identifies risk of placement disruption at time of placement, as well as risk of foster child maltreatment. It is possible to estimate, based on child and carer characteristics observed at the time of placement, the likelihood of placement disruption. A critical part of getting what works implemented is effective screening and assessment to figure out which placements need more support in order to prevent placement disruptions. Best, Kristen Kristen Johnson | Senior Researcher | The National Council on Crime & Delinquency (800) 306-6223 (O) 608-556-2615 (M)| www.nccdglobal.org Please do not send any identifying or confidential information (such as names, birthdates, and social security numbers) via email. It is possible for third parties to intercept information transmitted in an email. Identification numbers (such as case or referral numbers) may be included where necessary. Intercepting persons cannot use these numbers to identify a client unless they have access to the host application or database. -----Original Message----- From: bounce-119448303-43175489@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-119448303-43175489@list.cornell.edu ] On Behalf Of Mark Chaffin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 10:51 AM To: Child Maltreatment Researchers Subject: Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move them less often? How? Why? Various reasons, not all of them bad. Sometimes its law or policy or a move designed to benefit the child. For example, moving from a non-family foster home to a kinship home, or a move to keep a child within their own culture, or a move to locate a child nearer their biological parents in order to enable more contact, or a move so that sibships can be in the same household. Sometimes its a move to provide a different level of services, then a move back (although I’m not sure this is a very good reason). But, as one foster parent has noted on this forum, it is very often a “disruption” due to behavior management challenges or incompatibility or something similar. This is a type of move we worry about. Should we move them less? May depend on the type of move. The “disrupted” placements worry me the most. They do appear to take a toll, especially when they add up over time, as they tend to do, and sometimes with an accelerated trajectory eventuating in some sort of institutionalization. So I think we can say we should have fewer of those types of moves and disruptions. For the other types, its probably a risk/benefit balancing act. How? Well, if simply recognizing the problem and passing laws about it would be sufficient, we’d have eliminated it by now. We haven’t (although progress has been made). One solution is to simply push expedited permanency (adoption or reunification, whichever) and do so concurrently. We’ve had policies pushing that to some extent for a decade or two, and they’ve had some impact. Shorter stays = fewer total moves. Except it doesn’t always work out, and making stays shorter turns out to have its own challenges. Plus, in some cases, it takes a child that is a foster-care system “problem" and solves that problem by moving them into a different system (the adoption system, or the back-at-home system) where there may still be problems, only they are now ultimately somebody else’s problems. Which has led to some unfortunate things like the “rehoming” stories we see in the media. Then there is a somewhat different but complementary tactic--We can train and support foster parents better, and there have been nice results in the research here. For example, there are sound, scientifically-based behavioral programs demonstrated in randomized controlled trials to lower foster care placement disruptions. This includes among foster teens, school age children, and preschoolers. Plus, aside from reducing disrupted placements, these models deliver direct benefit to kids—improved behavior, better mental health, better long-term outcomes, even things like reduced teen pregnancy among adolescent girls exiting care, etc. Probably the best known work has been done by the OSLC group with the MTFC or KEEP protocols. These models are being replicated at a number of locations. For a summary of models addressing disruptions and ratings of their supporting research, see: http://www.cebc4cw.org/topic/placement-stabilization/ The bottom line is that there are things that work, other things that are promising, and we know what they are. Getting them out into the field and taken up at scale and with quality is the challenge. In other words, if you take an evidence-baed perspective when it comes to foster care disruption, the challenge is similar to many other practice areas—the question isn’t “what works?” the question is “how to get what works implemented?" Mark Mark Chaffin, PhD Professor of Public Health Georgia State University Center for Healthy Development P.O. Box 3995 Atlanta, GA 30302 (404) 413-1571 mchaffin@gsu.edu On 7/12/15, 12:03 AM, "Child Maltreatment Researchers digest" > wrote: >CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L Digest for Saturday, July 11, 2015. > >1. RE: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move them >less often? How? >2. Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move them >less often? How? > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: RE: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move >them less often? How? >From: Lucy Hudson > >Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:11:56 +0000 >X-Message-Number: 1 > >Yes, it is something we should be focusing on! ZERO TO THREE’s Safe >Babies Court Teams Project focuses on ten core components, one of which >is making the first placement the last placement. For all children, but >especially for the very youngest, their well-being hinges on having >loving reciprocal relationships with a few trusted caregivers. Every >move reduces their ability to trust adults and damages their >self-esteem. The statistics about changes in placement are skewed >downward because a child moving from one home to another within a >foster care agency isn’t seen as changing placements. > >Lucy Hudson >Director, Safe Babies Court Teams Project ZERO TO THREE >1255 23rd Street, NW, Suite 350 >Washington, DC 20037 >202-857-2629 (office) >202-246-1276 (cell) >202-638-0851 (fax) > > > >From: bounce-119126208-8130703@list.cornell.edu >[mailto:bounce-119126208-8130703@list.cornell.edu ] On Behalf Of Carolee >Gadsby >Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 3:15 PM >To: Child Maltreatment Researchers >Subject: Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move >them less often? How? > >Please excuse my response as it is blunt and I'm only a Mom. But I was >a foster mom for yrs, meet a lot of foster parents, was prez of the ass. >... The list goes on. But one thing I can tell you is some foster >parents expect the child/children to be perfect .... And when they are >not... The ask them to be moved 😥 I am very aware of this problem as I >would take the "hard to place" children in my home and also babysat >during the day for other foster parents who needed a break from the >children in their home.... Some would bring me their kids daily from >7-7 I do know there are problems on all levels of the system but this >is an issue that truly hurts my heart. >Btw.... I adopted out at 10 kids between bio and adopted. Many of mine >are "special" ..... VERY special to me! >Carolee >:) > >Sent from my iPad > >On Apr 30, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Edward Opton > >> wrote: > >Frequent changes of placement seem to be a fact of life for America's >foster children--five, ten, even twenty or more moves. > >Why? > >What can be done to reduce the frequency of moves? > >Are frequent moves beyond our control, like the fact that the sun is >visible in the daytime but cannot be seen at night, and so hardly worth >discussing? > >Or is the practice of moving children frequently worthy of >investigation and action? If so, who has written about it most cogently? > >Edward Opton, Ph.D., J.D. >PsychDrugs Action >National Center for Youth Law > >405 14th Street, 15th Floor, Oakland, CA 94612 >Phone: (510) 899-6583 >Fax: (510) 835-8099 >youthlaw.org > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move >them less often? How? >From: Frank Vandervort > >Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:48:08 -0400 >X-Message-Number: 2 > >The problem of placement instability has been studied since the 1970s. >The early work was done by David Fanshel and his colleagues. Their book >Foster >Care: A Longitudinal Investigation was the leading early work. The >early legal work on the topic was done by Robert Mnookin (and Michael Weld). >Then referred to as "foster care drift," referring to the dual harms of >extended stays in "temporary" foster care and frequent moves within the >system, were the impetus for the Adoption Assistance and Child Welfare >Act of 1980, which was subsequently revised in 1997 in the Adoption and >Safe Families Act. > >Many folks today do not know, but in the 1970s many state foster care >agencies as a matter of policy removed a foster child immediately if >there was any indication that the child was developing an emotional >attachment to the foster parent. There as a very interesting >presentation given by Dr. >Paul Steinhauer, probably in the late '70s, about these policies titled >"How To Succeed in the Business of Creating Psychopataths Without Even >Trying." To the best of my knowledge, it was never published (just >Google it, comes right up). It was one of the first efforts to >integrate knowledge of attachment into our child welfare policies. > >To a very large extent, the Children's Bureau has undermined the intent >and the effectiveness of both the 1980 and 1997 laws by focusing >almost exclusively on the "reasonable efforts to reunify" requirement, >which it, and, in turn, the field has interpreted as every imaginable >effort must be made to reunify--and then some. And every service must >be offered over and over and over. Richard Gelles's book, The Book of >David and Elizabeth Bartholet's Book Nobody's Children do a very good >job of documenting much of this history between 1980 and 1997. The >result of this distortion of the >law: kids remain in care longer than they should, they are moved about, >they become very difficult or impossible to place for adoption but >can't go home either, they stay in care longer. > >We know this pattern all too well. > >Frank Vandervort > > >On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Lucy Hudson > >wrote: > >> Yes, it is something we should be focusing on! ZERO TO THREE’s Safe >>Babies Court Teams Project focuses on ten core components, one of >>which is making the first placement the last placement. For all >>children, but especially for the very youngest, their well-being >>hinges on having loving reciprocal relationships with a few trusted >>caregivers. Every move reduces their ability to trust adults and >>damages their self-esteem. The statistics about changes in placement >>are skewed downward because a child moving from one home to another >>within a foster care agency isn’t seen as changing placements. >> >> >> >> *Lucy Hudson* >> >> *Director, Safe Babies Court Teams Project* >> >> *ZERO TO THREE* >> >> *1255 23rd Street, NW, Suite 350* >> >> *Washington, DC 20037* >> >> *202-857-2629 <202-857-2629> (office)* >> >> *202-246-1276 <202-246-1276> (cell)* >> >> *202-638-0851 <202-638-0851> (fax)* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* bounce-119126208-8130703@list.cornell.edu [mailto: >> bounce-119126208-8130703@list.cornell.edu ] *On Behalf Of *Carolee >> Gadsby >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 03, 2015 3:15 PM >> *To:* Child Maltreatment Researchers >> *Subject:* Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we >> move them less often? How? >> >> >> >> Please excuse my response as it is blunt and I'm only a Mom. But I >>was a foster mom for yrs, meet a lot of foster parents, was prez of the ass. >>... >> The list goes on. But one thing I can tell you is some foster parents >>expect the child/children to be perfect .... And when they are not... >>The >> ask them to be moved [image: 😥] I am very aware of this problem as I >>would take the "hard to place" children in my home and also babysat >>during the day for other foster parents who needed a break from the >>children in their home.... Some would bring me their kids daily from >>7-7 >> >> I do know there are problems on all levels of the system but this is >> an issue that truly hurts my heart. >> >> Btw.... I adopted out at 10 kids between bio and adopted. Many of >>mine are "special" ..... VERY special to me! >> >> Carolee >> >> :) >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> On Apr 30, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Edward Opton > wrote: >> >> >> Frequent changes of placement seem to be a fact of life for America's >> foster children--five, ten, even twenty or more moves. >> >> >> >> Why? >> >> >> >> What can be done to reduce the frequency of moves? >> >> >> >> Are frequent moves beyond our control, like the fact that the sun is >> visible in the daytime but cannot be seen at night, and so hardly >> worth discussing? >> >> >> >> Or is the practice of moving children frequently worthy of >> investigation and action? If so, who has written about it most cogently? >> >> >> >> *Edward Opton, Ph.D., J.D.* >> >> *PsychDrugs Action * >> >> National Center for Youth Law >> >> >> >> 405 14th Street, 15th Floor, Oakland, CA 94612 >> >> Phone: (510) 899-6583 >> >> Fax: (510) 835-8099 >> >> youthlaw.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- >Frank E. Vandervort >Clinical Professor of Law >University of Michigan Law School >701 South State Street >Ann Arbor, MI 48109 >(734) 647-3168 > > > >--- > >END OF DIGEST > ________________________________ This electronic transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately as use of this information is strictly prohibited.

I am a child psychiatrist and worked as such in MacLaren Hall 1975-76. I eventually left to see to leave to see where they came from and where they went. I gave my business card to children and teens, who seemed most lonesome. I told them to write me and tell me what happened. Mostly my card was lost in the wash. Few called but I was a person in their live. Sadly some came back to MadLaren as their home. They would look up their favorite staff. “Im home!” They needed people who did not disappear.. I wanted them to be more open to seeing a doctor and gave them a good experience if I could. One girl age 16 with 16 placement was helped to volunteer in a preschool. She ran again but called back to see that the kids were ok. She had a value and was missed when she was not there. Little kids ,old people, handicapped people and some animals can give them that. A female volunteer, about age 50, was on the MacLaren campus helping with a program. She was distracted and anxious. “Are you OK?" got me a sad face…she responded slowly… "I was here… I was about… 7"… I told her of changes to help her remember and asked who was nice to her (my favorite question for children in MacLaren). She said a lady helped her. “She understood”. I asked for more, the lady worked in the food line. I asked what she did to show she understood got me a pause, then… “she (pause) gave me extra beans” (smile). I was left with the image of a food line lady, making eye as she spooned out the correct portion of beans, them smiled and gave her more. That was there in her mind decades later. I suggest 1 Give kids your card, 2 ask them to help you (carry something or make your mobile phone ring. 3 send them a birthday card. 4 send their mother a mothers day card. (cards are particularly important when people go to prison or jail 5 If they call, write or email you , respond, asks them if they got another dog. Talk to them and listen. Do what you might do if you did not have a graduate degree Don’t promise to change their life unless your actually can. . Don’t be their parent, be a distant cousin or former neighbor. A preschool staff told me “The most important object to be in the world of a child is… a comfortable adult.” we will continue with multiple placements Computers and good data might help to slow that down.(canyhou tell how many girls in placement are pregnant or have a child>, ‘can you tell which kids coming in the system are there in part because of a death and do you have a systems to get them to the funeral or to visit the grave?) if we are in the role of parent we should know if our daughter has a baby or if our want to go th a funeral of someone he or she loves. Michael Durfee MD ICAN Los Angeles michaeld55aol.com On Jul 16, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Deane, Melissa > wrote: “Least restrictive environment” = least expensive environment. The child has to prove that they cannot be maintained in foster care, meaning a history of multiple foster care disruptions, before they can be considered for group home setting. Melissa Deane McNabb, LICSW Social Work Supervisor Child Protection Team Boston Medical Center T) 617-414-3663 F) 617-414-3648 P) 617-638-5795 ID# 2874 From: bounce-119457618-43975615list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-119457618-43975615list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of beth peters Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:56 AM To: Child Maltreatment Researchers Subject: Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move them less often? How? One of the problems I noticed is that there is a push by CPS to move children into the "least restrictive environment" meaning a foster home when the child thrives and prefers a group home setting. Beth Peters, PhD Licensed Psychologist 10090 Garrison St Westminster, CO 80021 303-704-3612 www.drbethpeters.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email contains information from the sender that may be confidential, legally privileged, proprietary or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email is intended for use only by the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying, distribution, printing, or any action taken in reliance on the contents of this email, is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sending party by replying in an email to the sender, delete the email from your computer system and destroy any paper copies of the printed email. ________________________________ From: Kristen Johnson > To: Child Maltreatment Researchers > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: RE: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move them less often? How? We at NCCD have conducted research for two jurisdictions that identifies risk of placement disruption at time of placement, as well as risk of foster child maltreatment. It is possible to estimate, based on child and carer characteristics observed at the time of placement, the likelihood of placement disruption. A critical part of getting what works implemented is effective screening and assessment to figure out which placements need more support in order to prevent placement disruptions. Best, Kristen Kristen Johnson | Senior Researcher | The National Council on Crime & Delinquency (800) 306-6223 (O) 608-556-2615 (M)| www.nccdglobal.org Please do not send any identifying or confidential information (such as names, birthdates, and social security numbers) via email. It is possible for third parties to intercept information transmitted in an email. Identification numbers (such as case or referral numbers) may be included where necessary. Intercepting persons cannot use these numbers to identify a client unless they have access to the host application or database. -----Original Message----- From: bounce-119448303-43175489list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-119448303-43175489list.cornell.edu ] On Behalf Of Mark Chaffin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 10:51 AM To: Child Maltreatment Researchers Subject: Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move them less often? How? Why? Various reasons, not all of them bad. Sometimes its law or policy or a move designed to benefit the child. For example, moving from a non-family foster home to a kinship home, or a move to keep a child within their own culture, or a move to locate a child nearer their biological parents in order to enable more contact, or a move so that sibships can be in the same household. Sometimes its a move to provide a different level of services, then a move back (although I’m not sure this is a very good reason). But, as one foster parent has noted on this forum, it is very often a “disruption” due to behavior management challenges or incompatibility or something similar. This is a type of move we worry about. Should we move them less? May depend on the type of move. The “disrupted” placements worry me the most. They do appear to take a toll, especially when they add up over time, as they tend to do, and sometimes with an accelerated trajectory eventuating in some sort of institutionalization. So I think we can say we should have fewer of those types of moves and disruptions. For the other types, its probably a risk/benefit balancing act. How? Well, if simply recognizing the problem and passing laws about it would be sufficient, we’d have eliminated it by now. We haven’t (although progress has been made). One solution is to simply push expedited permanency (adoption or reunification, whichever) and do so concurrently. We’ve had policies pushing that to some extent for a decade or two, and they’ve had some impact. Shorter stays = fewer total moves. Except it doesn’t always work out, and making stays shorter turns out to have its own challenges. Plus, in some cases, it takes a child that is a foster-care system “problem" and solves that problem by moving them into a different system (the adoption system, or the back-at-home system) where there may still be problems, only they are now ultimately somebody else’s problems. Which has led to some unfortunate things like the “rehoming” stories we see in the media. Then there is a somewhat different but complementary tactic--We can train and support foster parents better, and there have been nice results in the research here. For example, there are sound, scientifically-based behavioral programs demonstrated in randomized controlled trials to lower foster care placement disruptions. This includes among foster teens, school age children, and preschoolers. Plus, aside from reducing disrupted placements, these models deliver direct benefit to kids—improved behavior, better mental health, better long-term outcomes, even things like reduced teen pregnancy among adolescent girls exiting care, etc. Probably the best known work has been done by the OSLC group with the MTFC or KEEP protocols. These models are being replicated at a number of locations. For a summary of models addressing disruptions and ratings of their supporting research, see: http://www.cebc4cw.org/topic/placement-stabilization/ The bottom line is that there are things that work, other things that are promising, and we know what they are. Getting them out into the field and taken up at scale and with quality is the challenge. In other words, if you take an evidence-baed perspective when it comes to foster care disruption, the challenge is similar to many other practice areas—the question isn’t “what works?” the question is “how to get what works implemented?" Mark Mark Chaffin, PhD Professor of Public Health Georgia State University Center for Healthy Development P.O. Box 3995 Atlanta, GA 30302 (404) 413-1571 mchaffingsu.edu On 7/12/15, 12:03 AM, "Child Maltreatment Researchers digest" > wrote: >CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L Digest for Saturday, July 11, 2015. > >1. RE: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move them >less often? How? >2. Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move them >less often? How? > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: RE: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move >them less often? How? >From: Lucy Hudson > >Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:11:56 +0000 >X-Message-Number: 1 > >Yes, it is something we should be focusing on! ZERO TO THREE’s Safe >Babies Court Teams Project focuses on ten core components, one of which >is making the first placement the last placement. For all children, but >especially for the very youngest, their well-being hinges on having >loving reciprocal relationships with a few trusted caregivers. Every >move reduces their ability to trust adults and damages their >self-esteem. The statistics about changes in placement are skewed >downward because a child moving from one home to another within a >foster care agency isn’t seen as changing placements. > >Lucy Hudson >Director, Safe Babies Court Teams Project ZERO TO THREE >1255 23rd Street, NW, Suite 350 >Washington, DC 20037 >202-857-2629 (office) >202-246-1276 (cell) >202-638-0851 (fax) > > > >From: bounce-119126208-8130703list.cornell.edu >[mailto:bounce-119126208-8130703list.cornell.edu ] On Behalf Of Carolee >Gadsby >Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 3:15 PM >To: Child Maltreatment Researchers >Subject: Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move >them less often? How? > >Please excuse my response as it is blunt and I'm only a Mom. But I was >a foster mom for yrs, meet a lot of foster parents, was prez of the ass. >... The list goes on. But one thing I can tell you is some foster >parents expect the child/children to be perfect .... And when they are >not... The ask them to be moved 😥 I am very aware of this problem as I >would take the "hard to place" children in my home and also babysat >during the day for other foster parents who needed a break from the >children in their home.... Some would bring me their kids daily from >7-7 I do know there are problems on all levels of the system but this >is an issue that truly hurts my heart. >Btw.... I adopted out at 10 kids between bio and adopted. Many of mine >are "special" ..... VERY special to me! >Carolee >:) > >Sent from my iPad > >On Apr 30, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Edward Opton > >> wrote: > >Frequent changes of placement seem to be a fact of life for America's >foster children--five, ten, even twenty or more moves. > >Why? > >What can be done to reduce the frequency of moves? > >Are frequent moves beyond our control, like the fact that the sun is >visible in the daytime but cannot be seen at night, and so hardly worth >discussing? > >Or is the practice of moving children frequently worthy of >investigation and action? If so, who has written about it most cogently? > >Edward Opton, Ph.D., J.D. >PsychDrugs Action >National Center for Youth Law > >405 14th Street, 15th Floor, Oakland, CA 94612 >Phone: (510) 899-6583 >Fax: (510) 835-8099 >youthlaw.org > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we move >them less often? How? >From: Frank Vandervort > >Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:48:08 -0400 >X-Message-Number: 2 > >The problem of placement instability has been studied since the 1970s. >The early work was done by David Fanshel and his colleagues. Their book >Foster >Care: A Longitudinal Investigation was the leading early work. The >early legal work on the topic was done by Robert Mnookin (and Michael Weld). >Then referred to as "foster care drift," referring to the dual harms of >extended stays in "temporary" foster care and frequent moves within the >system, were the impetus for the Adoption Assistance and Child Welfare >Act of 1980, which was subsequently revised in 1997 in the Adoption and >Safe Families Act. > >Many folks today do not know, but in the 1970s many state foster care >agencies as a matter of policy removed a foster child immediately if >there was any indication that the child was developing an emotional >attachment to the foster parent. There as a very interesting >presentation given by Dr. >Paul Steinhauer, probably in the late '70s, about these policies titled >"How To Succeed in the Business of Creating Psychopataths Without Even >Trying." To the best of my knowledge, it was never published (just >Google it, comes right up). It was one of the first efforts to >integrate knowledge of attachment into our child welfare policies. > >To a very large extent, the Children's Bureau has undermined the intent >and the effectiveness of both the 1980 and 1997 laws by focusing >almost exclusively on the "reasonable efforts to reunify" requirement, >which it, and, in turn, the field has interpreted as every imaginable >effort must be made to reunify--and then some. And every service must >be offered over and over and over. Richard Gelles's book, The Book of >David and Elizabeth Bartholet's Book Nobody's Children do a very good >job of documenting much of this history between 1980 and 1997. The >result of this distortion of the >law: kids remain in care longer than they should, they are moved about, >they become very difficult or impossible to place for adoption but >can't go home either, they stay in care longer. > >We know this pattern all too well. > >Frank Vandervort > > >On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Lucy Hudson > >wrote: > >> Yes, it is something we should be focusing on! ZERO TO THREE’s Safe >>Babies Court Teams Project focuses on ten core components, one of >>which is making the first placement the last placement. For all >>children, but especially for the very youngest, their well-being >>hinges on having loving reciprocal relationships with a few trusted >>caregivers. Every move reduces their ability to trust adults and >>damages their self-esteem. The statistics about changes in placement >>are skewed downward because a child moving from one home to another >>within a foster care agency isn’t seen as changing placements. >> >> >> >> *Lucy Hudson* >> >> *Director, Safe Babies Court Teams Project* >> >> *ZERO TO THREE* >> >> *1255 23rd Street, NW, Suite 350* >> >> *Washington, DC 20037* >> >> *202-857-2629 <202-857-2629> (office)* >> >> *202-246-1276 <202-246-1276> (cell)* >> >> *202-638-0851 <202-638-0851> (fax)* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* bounce-119126208-8130703list.cornell.edu [mailto: >> bounce-119126208-8130703list.cornell.edu ] *On Behalf Of *Carolee >> Gadsby >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 03, 2015 3:15 PM >> *To:* Child Maltreatment Researchers >> *Subject:* Re: Why do we move foster children so often? Should we >> move them less often? How? >> >> >> >> Please excuse my response as it is blunt and I'm only a Mom. But I >>was a foster mom for yrs, meet a lot of foster parents, was prez of the ass. >>... >> The list goes on. But one thing I can tell you is some foster parents >>expect the child/children to be perfect .... And when they are not... >>The >> ask them to be moved [image: 😥] I am very aware of this problem as I >>would take the "hard to place" children in my home and also babysat >>during the day for other foster parents who needed a break from the >>children in their home.... Some would bring me their kids daily from >>7-7 >> >> I do know there are problems on all levels of the system but this is >> an issue that truly hurts my heart. >> >> Btw.... I adopted out at 10 kids between bio and adopted. Many of >>mine are "special" ..... VERY special to me! >> >> Carolee >> >> :) >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> On Apr 30, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Edward Opton > wrote: >> >> >> Frequent changes of placement seem to be a fact of life for America's >> foster children--five, ten, even twenty or more moves. >> >> >> >> Why? >> >> >> >> What can be done to reduce the frequency of moves? >> >> >> >> Are frequent moves beyond our control, like the fact that the sun is >> visible in the daytime but cannot be seen at night, and so hardly >> worth discussing? >> >> >> >> Or is the practice of moving children frequently worthy of >> investigation and action? If so, who has written about it most cogently? >> >> >> >> *Edward Opton, Ph.D., J.D.* >> >> *PsychDrugs Action * >> >> National Center for Youth Law >> >> >> >> 405 14th Street, 15th Floor, Oakland, CA 94612 >> >> Phone: (510) 899-6583 >> >> Fax: (510) 835-8099 >> >> youthlaw.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- >Frank E. 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