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Message ID: 9039
Date: 2011-11-21

Author:Todd McDonald

Subject:Re: Measuring racism

Can you clarify what you mean by the epistemological perspective? The Drake and Barth article seem clear in their findings and they seem to use lots of data. If the debate will never end even with high quality research, why continue to study the topic? are there no certainties in research? is it always "one side presents this case" and 'the other side presents a different case." what is the point? or is their findings too difficult to accept? please help me understand this. TM From: D F MCMAHON To: Child Maltreatment Researchers Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 12:06 PM Subject: RE: Measuring racism Re: Drake articles, wouldn't it be more accurate to say they argue or present a case against systemic racism rather than "reveal" that there is none? (Just from an epistemological perspective--which is surely the perspective social research must take) Sheri McMahon ND Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:06:27 -0800From: tmac5528@yahoo.comSubject: Re: Measuring racismTo: child-maltreatment-research-l@list.cornell.eduCC: jane.marie.marshall@gmail.com I believe the Drake articles reveal that there is no racism in the child welare system. The authors on the Pediatrics article are well respected. Anne's reference to the Bartholet reading suggests no racism as well. These are important findings. Maybe Dr. Wexler would disagree. TM --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Anne Day wrote: From: Anne Day Subject: Re: Measuring racism To: "Child Maltreatment Researchers" Cc: jane.marie.marshall@gmail.com Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 1:56 PM I would also recommend looking at the literature surrounding the Multiethnic Placement Act of 1994 and “The Racial Disproportionality Movement in Child Welfare: False Facts and Dangerous Directions.” by Elizabeht Bartholet (http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/bartholet/RD_AZ_Final.pdf). On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:42 PM, > wrote: I recommend starting with Prof. Dorothy Roberts’ book, Shattered Bonds: The Color of Child Welfare (Basic Civitas Books: 2002). My organization’s Issue Paper, Child Welfare and Race, has citations for multiple studies. It’s available online at http://bit.ly/ckKv7M Some of the most important work in the field is being done by the Center for the Study of Social Policy. See in particular their Michigan Race Equity Review, available here: http://bit.ly/hnJR3j And while not a study, I highly recommend NPR’s recent three-part series on the impact of child protective services on Native Americans in South Dakota, available here: http://n.pr/uHDskg Richard Wexler Executive Director National Coalition for Child Protection Reform 53 Skyhill Road (Suite 202) Alexandria VA 22314 Office: (703) 212-2006 Cell: (703) 380-4252 www.nccpr.org Richard Wexler Executive Director National Coalition for Child Protection Reform 53 Skyhill Road (Suite 202) Alexandria VA 22314 703-212-2006 www.nccpr.org In a message dated 11/18/2011 9:34:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jane.marie.marshall@gmail.com writes: Hi all, Could anyone direct me toward research that has undertook measuring racism in the child welfare and/or juvenile justice system? Thank you, Jane Marie Marshall Doctoral Candidate, School of Social Work University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Field Coordinator, Illinois Permanency Enhancement Project -- Anne Day anneday@sp2.upenn.edu anne.day@temple.edu Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.

Can you clarify what you mean by the epistemological perspective? The Drake and Barth article seem clear in their findings and they seem to use lots of data. If the debate will never end even with high quality research, why continue to study the topic? are there no certainties in research? is it always "one side presents this case" and 'the other side presents a different case." what is the point? or is their findings too difficult to accept? please help me understand this. TM From: D F MCMAHON To: Child Maltreatment Researchers Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 12:06 PM Subject: RE: Measuring racism Re: Drake articles, wouldn't it be more accurate to say they argue or present a case against systemic racism rather than "reveal" that there is none? (Just from an epistemological perspective--which is surely the perspective social research must take) Sheri McMahon ND Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:06:27 -0800From: tmac5528yahoo.comSubject: Re: Measuring racismTo: child-maltreatment-research-llist.cornell.eduCC: jane.marie.marshallgmail.com I believe the Drake articles reveal that there is no racism in the child welare system. The authors on the Pediatrics article are well respected. Anne's reference to the Bartholet reading suggests no racism as well. These are important findings. Maybe Dr. Wexler would disagree. TM --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Anne Day wrote: From: Anne Day Subject: Re: Measuring racism To: "Child Maltreatment Researchers" Cc: jane.marie.marshallgmail.com Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 1:56 PM I would also recommend looking at the literature surrounding the Multiethnic Placement Act of 1994 and “The Racial Disproportionality Movement in Child Welfare: False Facts and Dangerous Directions.” by Elizabeht Bartholet (http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/bartholet/RD_AZ_Final.pdf). On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:42 PM, > wrote: I recommend starting with Prof. Dorothy Roberts’ book, Shattered Bonds: The Color of Child Welfare (Basic Civitas Books: 2002). My organization’s Issue Paper, Child Welfare and Race, has citations for multiple studies. It’s available online at http://bit.ly/ckKv7M Some of the most important work in the field is being done by the Center for the Study of Social Policy. See in particular their Michigan Race Equity Review, available here: http://bit.ly/hnJR3j And while not a study, I highly recommend NPR’s recent three-part series on the impact of child protective services on Native Americans in South Dakota, available here: http://n.pr/uHDskg Richard Wexler Executive Director National Coalition for Child Protection Reform 53 Skyhill Road (Suite 202) Alexandria VA 22314 Office: (703) 212-2006 Cell: (703) 380-4252 www.nccpr.org Richard Wexler Executive Director National Coalition for Child Protection Reform 53 Skyhill Road (Suite 202) Alexandria VA 22314 703-212-2006 www.nccpr.org In a message dated 11/18/2011 9:34:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jane.marie.marshallgmail.com writes: Hi all, Could anyone direct me toward research that has undertook measuring racism in the child welfare and/or juvenile justice system? Thank you, Jane Marie Marshall Doctoral Candidate, School of Social Work University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Field Coordinator, Illinois Permanency Enhancement Project -- Anne Day annedaysp2.upenn.edu anne.daytemple.edu Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.