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Message ID: 8641
Date: 2010-09-30

Author:Felicia Freeman

Subject:RE: 15/22 rule

I’m waiting to see the part about ensuring reunification occurs whenever possible. It looks like the move is to clear the caseload rather than think about the child. Any research about the outcomes for children removed from their homes, compared to those left in homes under similar circumstances? I am very interested in finding the truth about whether foster care works for children, or if it’s just a theory that never achieved it’s potential. Felicia I. Freeman, President Children First 4708 Dogwood Drive, Everett, WA 98203 P.O. Box 2629, Everett, WA 98213-2629 (425) 259-0146 (425) 293-0333 direct (425) 346-8414 cell www.deaconesschildren.org Transforming lives of children in the Pacific North West by breaking the cycle of Child Abuse and Neglect. Deaconess Children’s Services is a champion of hope and opportunity for children and their families, especially those in greatest need, empowering them to BELIEVE in a life full of possibilities. ________________________________ From: bounce-6375447-13481403@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-6375447-13481403@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Meredith Virant Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:36 AM To: Child Maltreatment Researchers Subject: Re: 15/22 rule In WA state it can be shorter than 15 months. Generally it depends on the county and the judge or comissioner that you are in front of. I usually tell my clients a time frame of 12-15 months but tell them it could be shorter than that (or potentially longer as well). Our comissioner would even go out of his way at the preliminary hearings to tell parents that even if their attorneys had said 12-15 months it could be shorter if they fail to engage in services. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:29 PM, D F MCMAHON > wrote: I am aware that at least one state (don't recall which, but have read the statute) requires agencies to allow the full 15 out of 22 consecutive months of out of home placement to elapse before filing TPR petitions unless a court has ruled that reasonable efforts are not required. I am aware--but have not seen the actual statutes--that some states lessen the allowed reunification time in certain circumstances, including the parent having a serious mental illness. I'd like to get some sense of the background to the federal 15/22 rule, and to what extent it was intended by this legislation to not only ensure opportunities for permanency, but also to ensure opportunities for reunification. I would also like to get a sense of practice patterns in terms of what time frames states actually use before initiating TPR prior to the 15/22 time period, and whether states typically seek any kind of court sanction in those cases. This may be a question more of legal practice than anything else, but the 15/22 benchmark had to come from somewhere. Sheri McMahon -- Meredith Lauren Virant Attorney at Law

I’m waiting to see the part about ensuring reunification occurs whenever possible. It looks like the move is to clear the caseload rather than think about the child. Any research about the outcomes for children removed from their homes, compared to those left in homes under similar circumstances? I am very interested in finding the truth about whether foster care works for children, or if it’s just a theory that never achieved it’s potential. Felicia I. Freeman, President Children First 4708 Dogwood Drive, Everett, WA 98203 P.O. Box 2629, Everett, WA 98213-2629 (425) 259-0146 (425) 293-0333 direct (425) 346-8414 cell www.deaconesschildren.org Transforming lives of children in the Pacific North West by breaking the cycle of Child Abuse and Neglect. Deaconess Children’s Services is a champion of hope and opportunity for children and their families, especially those in greatest need, empowering them to BELIEVE in a life full of possibilities. ________________________________ From: bounce-6375447-13481403list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-6375447-13481403list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Meredith Virant Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:36 AM To: Child Maltreatment Researchers Subject: Re: 15/22 rule In WA state it can be shorter than 15 months. Generally it depends on the county and the judge or comissioner that you are in front of. I usually tell my clients a time frame of 12-15 months but tell them it could be shorter than that (or potentially longer as well). Our comissioner would even go out of his way at the preliminary hearings to tell parents that even if their attorneys had said 12-15 months it could be shorter if they fail to engage in services. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:29 PM, D F MCMAHON > wrote: I am aware that at least one state (don't recall which, but have read the statute) requires agencies to allow the full 15 out of 22 consecutive months of out of home placement to elapse before filing TPR petitions unless a court has ruled that reasonable efforts are not required. I am aware--but have not seen the actual statutes--that some states lessen the allowed reunification time in certain circumstances, including the parent having a serious mental illness. I'd like to get some sense of the background to the federal 15/22 rule, and to what extent it was intended by this legislation to not only ensure opportunities for permanency, but also to ensure opportunities for reunification. I would also like to get a sense of practice patterns in terms of what time frames states actually use before initiating TPR prior to the 15/22 time period, and whether states typically seek any kind of court sanction in those cases. This may be a question more of legal practice than anything else, but the 15/22 benchmark had to come from somewhere. Sheri McMahon -- Meredith Lauren Virant Attorney at Law