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Message ID: 8276
Date: 2009-09-28

Author:DeanTongaol.com

Subject:Indicated v. Unfounded Reports

Ma'am: With all due respect, please do not falsely accuse me of "changing the facts of your scenario." Multiple unfounded reports could be argued to be possible false allegations, or at the very least possible source misattribution errors. I merely asked you if multiple unfounded child abuse reports (by definition, unfounded means without foundation, groundless or lacking sufficient evidence) would produce a low, moderate or high risk factor with respect to the alleged child victims and what the basis for that risk factor finding would be? For example, emotional and/or psychological abuse? In my state of Florida, the Department of Children and Families (DCF), via counsel, has filed Chapter 39 Petitions for Dependency against alleged perpetrators for multiple unfounded or false child abuse reports, basing their argument on emotional/psychological abuse of the children-at-bar. Dean Tong -----Original Message----- From: Poha Kane Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:51:16 To: Child Maltreatment Researchers Subject: Re: indicated reports vs unfounded reports On 9/22/09, DeanTong@aol.com wrote: > So are you saying that five or eight or eleven unfounded abuse reports > against an accused individual or family may or does equal a moderate or > higher > risk to the alleged child victims for actual abuse or for perhaps > emotional/psychological abuse of the kids due to false allegations? Mr. Tong, the poster did not say "false allegations." A child can be injured, as was posted by another person here, and deny the accused did the harm, yet the harm was done. That is a child at risk even if charges can't be brought against an alleged perpetrator. There are many such cases I think. Please stick to the facts, and don't change the wording of the person you are questioning. It simply leads to conflict and loss of objectively and clarity. Some will think the person actually said, false allegations, when they did not. Unfounded does not mean false in all or even the majority of such cases necessarily. False allegations are a subcategory, another category, of unfounded. But there are many kinds. I hope I am clear enough on this. Thank you in advance for your consideration of my position on this question. Kane Dean Tong, MSc., Forensic Trial Consultant/Expert 604 Brentwood Place Brandon, FL 33511 813.657.4930, Ph/Fax 813.417.5362, Cell DeanTong@aol.com TongDean56@gmail.com (E-Mail Attached Files, Only) http://www.abuse-excuse.com/ http://www.DeanTong.com Disclaimer: Dean Tong is not an attorney. He is not licensed to give legal advice and nothing herein should be construed to be legal advice. If you need legal assistance please consult with an attorney in your area by checking here http://www.abanet.org/lawyerlocator/searchlawyer.html .

Ma'am: With all due respect, please do not falsely accuse me of "changing the facts of your scenario." Multiple unfounded reports could be argued to be possible false allegations, or at the very least possible source misattribution errors. I merely asked you if multiple unfounded child abuse reports (by definition, unfounded means without foundation, groundless or lacking sufficient evidence) would produce a low, moderate or high risk factor with respect to the alleged child victims and what the basis for that risk factor finding would be? For example, emotional and/or psychological abuse? In my state of Florida, the Department of Children and Families (DCF), via counsel, has filed Chapter 39 Petitions for Dependency against alleged perpetrators for multiple unfounded or false child abuse reports, basing their argument on emotional/psychological abuse of the children-at-bar. Dean Tong -----Original Message----- From: Poha Kane Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:51:16 To: Child Maltreatment Researchers Subject: Re: indicated reports vs unfounded reports On 9/22/09, DeanTongaol.com wrote: > So are you saying that five or eight or eleven unfounded abuse reports > against an accused individual or family may or does equal a moderate or > higher > risk to the alleged child victims for actual abuse or for perhaps > emotional/psychological abuse of the kids due to false allegations? Mr. Tong, the poster did not say "false allegations." A child can be injured, as was posted by another person here, and deny the accused did the harm, yet the harm was done. That is a child at risk even if charges can't be brought against an alleged perpetrator. There are many such cases I think. Please stick to the facts, and don't change the wording of the person you are questioning. It simply leads to conflict and loss of objectively and clarity. Some will think the person actually said, false allegations, when they did not. Unfounded does not mean false in all or even the majority of such cases necessarily. False allegations are a subcategory, another category, of unfounded. But there are many kinds. I hope I am clear enough on this. Thank you in advance for your consideration of my position on this question. Kane Dean Tong, MSc., Forensic Trial Consultant/Expert 604 Brentwood Place Brandon, FL 33511 813.657.4930, Ph/Fax 813.417.5362, Cell DeanTongaol.com TongDean56gmail.com (E-Mail Attached Files, Only) http://www.abuse-excuse.com/ http://www.DeanTong.com Disclaimer: Dean Tong is not an attorney. He is not licensed to give legal advice and nothing herein should be construed to be legal advice. If you need legal assistance please consult with an attorney in your area by checking here http://www.abanet.org/lawyerlocator/searchlawyer.html .