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Message ID: 8057
Date: 2009-01-28

Author:DeanTongaol.com

Subject:Re: query on false memory

Can we please spell an expert of Dr. Steve Ceci's caliber, correctly, please? And "accused of sadistic abuse" sounds like an oxymoron. It is possible the accused is in fact innocent since the age of 6 is not yet at the age of reason 7 or 8 and is fairly suggestible and impressionable. And while I personally wouldn't recommend using Dr. Liz Loftus or Dr. Steve Ceci (To my knowledge he's not doing forensic work at all) on a case as a memory expert, I cannot see how the mere use and perhaps legal admissibility of a seminal peer-reviewed traumatic article on memory via sex abuse (Learned Treatise or Judicial Notice) is going to be probative for the prosecution. Dean Tong Dean Tong, MSc., Forensic Trial Consultant 604 Brentwood Place Brandon, FL 33511 813.657.4930, Ph/Fax 813.417.5362, Cell 800.854.0735, Books/Media http://www.abuse-excuse.com http://www.DeanTong.com Read Dean Tong's articles online at www.newswithviews.com/Tong/deanA.htm Disclaimer: Dean Tong is not an attorney licensed to practice law. His professional opinion herein must not be construed as legal advice. And the recipient of this e-mail should always first query an attorney for professional legal advice. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail please delete the same. In a message dated 1/27/2009 5:34:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jcrowley@nmsu.edu writes: Lisa, Try Thomas Lyon's website. He has a ton of articles, some directly refuting Loftus. He also has major credentials. http://works.bepress.com/thomaslyon/ Here is the leadership council's page on PAS: http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/pas/1.html They have credentials, too. Both sites have multiple full text articles. For dramatic personal stories, try Courageous Kids, a network of PAS victims--children torn from protective parents and given to their abusers by judges who were at best gullible, and at worst collaborators. I heard about them from participants in the Battered Mothers Custody Conference. http://www.courageouskids.net/ For top quality research on recovered memory, see Jennifer Freyd's web site. Here is the link to her online articles: http://dynamic.uoregon.edu/~jjf/traumapapers.html Hope this helps!! Jody Crowley Department of Criminal Justice New Mexico State University On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:03 AM, lfontes@rcn.com wrote: > Dear COlleagues, > A colleague in Puerto Rico has asked me urgently for materials (in > Spanish or English) to challenge a defense attorney who is using > Loftus and Cecci's work on false memory to try for the acquittal of > a father accused of sadistically abusing his 6 year old child. THis > is a high profile case. > > If you will send me articles in electronic form or links I'd be most > grateful and will pass them on to her immediately. > > Thanks. > > Lisa Fontes, Ph.D. > LFontes @rcn.com >

Can we please spell an expert of Dr. Steve Ceci's caliber, correctly, please? And "accused of sadistic abuse" sounds like an oxymoron. It is possible the accused is in fact innocent since the age of 6 is not yet at the age of reason 7 or 8 and is fairly suggestible and impressionable. And while I personally wouldn't recommend using Dr. Liz Loftus or Dr. Steve Ceci (To my knowledge he's not doing forensic work at all) on a case as a memory expert, I cannot see how the mere use and perhaps legal admissibility of a seminal peer-reviewed traumatic article on memory via sex abuse (Learned Treatise or Judicial Notice) is going to be probative for the prosecution. Dean Tong Dean Tong, MSc., Forensic Trial Consultant 604 Brentwood Place Brandon, FL 33511 813.657.4930, Ph/Fax 813.417.5362, Cell 800.854.0735, Books/Media http://www.abuse-excuse.com http://www.DeanTong.com Read Dean Tong's articles online at www.newswithviews.com/Tong/deanA.htm Disclaimer: Dean Tong is not an attorney licensed to practice law. His professional opinion herein must not be construed as legal advice. And the recipient of this e-mail should always first query an attorney for professional legal advice. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail please delete the same. In a message dated 1/27/2009 5:34:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jcrowleynmsu.edu writes: Lisa, Try Thomas Lyon's website. He has a ton of articles, some directly refuting Loftus. He also has major credentials. http://works.bepress.com/thomaslyon/ Here is the leadership council's page on PAS: http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/pas/1.html They have credentials, too. Both sites have multiple full text articles. For dramatic personal stories, try Courageous Kids, a network of PAS victims--children torn from protective parents and given to their abusers by judges who were at best gullible, and at worst collaborators. I heard about them from participants in the Battered Mothers Custody Conference. http://www.courageouskids.net/ For top quality research on recovered memory, see Jennifer Freyd's web site. Here is the link to her online articles: http://dynamic.uoregon.edu/~jjf/traumapapers.html Hope this helps!! Jody Crowley Department of Criminal Justice New Mexico State University On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:03 AM, lfontesrcn.com wrote: > Dear COlleagues, > A colleague in Puerto Rico has asked me urgently for materials (in > Spanish or English) to challenge a defense attorney who is using > Loftus and Cecci's work on false memory to try for the acquittal of > a father accused of sadistically abusing his 6 year old child. THis > is a high profile case. > > If you will send me articles in electronic form or links I'd be most > grateful and will pass them on to her immediately. > > Thanks. > > Lisa Fontes, Ph.D. > LFontes rcn.com >