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Message ID: 8018
Date: 2009-01-20

Author:Willems J (IR)

Subject:RE: Child Trauma

Dear Dean Tong, You are referring to state repression in states that start (and often stop) with child protection rather than starting with parenthood education in schools and parenting education (and subsequent screening for assistance and support, therapy etc) for parents-to-be. The legal basis for parenthood education (as part of citizenship, child rights and psycho-education) is Article 29 CRC, the legal basis for (positive) parenting education for all parents and parents-to-be are national laws prohibiting corporal punishment and humiliation of children, at least in the opinion and recommendations of human rights monitoring bodies (referring, i.a., to Articles 18, para 2; 19, para 1 and para 2, and 24 CRC). Please, understand that this is a rather revolutionary break from traditional (19/20th century) child protection, which is only beginning to take place, step by step, in some (European) states. Kind regards, Jan CM Willems Prof Dr Jan CM Willems Department of International and European Law and Maastricht Center for Human Rights Maastricht University Faculty of Law, The Netherlands child Maltreatment, Early childhood and children’s Rights research program (MERchild) www.unimaas.nl/default.asp?template=werkveld.htm&id=3557A05360I5O1B774N7&taal=nl j.willems@ir.unimaas.nl Parenting education for all parents. Always. Everywhere. -----Original Message----- From: bounce-3476063-6833864@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-3476063-6833864@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of DeanTong@aol.com Sent: maandag 19 januari 2009 17:02 To: child-maltreatment-research-l@list.cornell.edu Subject: Child Trauma To further the discussion on child trauma relative to physical child abuse v. corporal punishment, let's look at the mandatory reporting laws under the Child Abuse Prevention & Treatment ACT (CAPTA). All mandated reporters are required by law to report any "reasonable suspicion" of child abuse. The Mandated Reporter must call a "Child Protective Agency" as soon as possible to make verbal report of "Reasonable Suspicion." - http://www.capcsac.org/training/laws The government, in the persons of Child Protective Services (CPS), is charged by our legislature to protect children from abuse and neglect. Each state may have a slightly varying definition of what "reasonable suspicion" is, but in California, for example, "Reasonable Suspicion" occurs when "it is objectively reasonable for a person to entertain such a suspicion, when based upon the facts that could cause a reasonable person in a like position, drawing when appropriate on his or her training and experience, to suspect child abuse." (California Penal Code 11166[a]). That said, when does "reasonable" become "unreasonable," or when does objectivity become subjectivity and perhaps the mark, or bruise, or welt being reported by the person was a "source misattribution error?" Perhaps, the child fell off of his/her bicycle or the child suffers from a consumption coagulopathy or platelet disorder and bruises easily and the doctor or nurse misdiagnosed the alleged abuse. Clearly, the line of demarcation separating corporal punishment v. physical child abuse is not black and white but very gray. We have risk assessment tools - psychometric tests - such as the Child Abuse Potential Inventory (CAP Form VI), CTS-PC, AAPI, et al which can be administered to parents accused of acts of physical child abuse to glean if they have a propensity or penchant to perpetrate such acts. The State does not make a good parent and I vehemently disagree that this is not a state control issue. It very much so is. Certainly, Dr. James Dobson agrees with the use of corporal punishment - http://www.creationists.org/corporalpunishment.html Dean Tong, MSc., Forensic Trial Consultant 604 Brentwood Place Brandon, FL 33511 813.657.4930, Ph/Fax 813.417.5362, Cell 800.854.0735, Books/Media http://www.abuse-excuse.com http://www.DeanTong.com Read Dean Tong's articles online at www.newswithviews.com/Tong/deanA.htm Disclaimer: Dean Tong is not an attorney licensed to practice law. His professional opinion herein must not be construed as legal advice. And the recipient of this e-mail should always first query an attorney for professional legal advice. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail please delete the same.

Dear Dean Tong, You are referring to state repression in states that start (and often stop) with child protection rather than starting with parenthood education in schools and parenting education (and subsequent screening for assistance and support, therapy etc) for parents-to-be. The legal basis for parenthood education (as part of citizenship, child rights and psycho-education) is Article 29 CRC, the legal basis for (positive) parenting education for all parents and parents-to-be are national laws prohibiting corporal punishment and humiliation of children, at least in the opinion and recommendations of human rights monitoring bodies (referring, i.a., to Articles 18, para 2; 19, para 1 and para 2, and 24 CRC). Please, understand that this is a rather revolutionary break from traditional (19/20th century) child protection, which is only beginning to take place, step by step, in some (European) states. Kind regards, Jan CM Willems Prof Dr Jan CM Willems Department of International and European Law and Maastricht Center for Human Rights Maastricht University Faculty of Law, The Netherlands child Maltreatment, Early childhood and children’s Rights research program (MERchild) www.unimaas.nl/default.asp?template=werkveld.htm&id=3557A05360I5O1B774N7&taal=nl j.willemsir.unimaas.nl Parenting education for all parents. Always. Everywhere. -----Original Message----- From: bounce-3476063-6833864list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-3476063-6833864list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of DeanTongaol.com Sent: maandag 19 januari 2009 17:02 To: child-maltreatment-research-llist.cornell.edu Subject: Child Trauma To further the discussion on child trauma relative to physical child abuse v. corporal punishment, let's look at the mandatory reporting laws under the Child Abuse Prevention & Treatment ACT (CAPTA). All mandated reporters are required by law to report any "reasonable suspicion" of child abuse. The Mandated Reporter must call a "Child Protective Agency" as soon as possible to make verbal report of "Reasonable Suspicion." - http://www.capcsac.org/training/laws The government, in the persons of Child Protective Services (CPS), is charged by our legislature to protect children from abuse and neglect. Each state may have a slightly varying definition of what "reasonable suspicion" is, but in California, for example, "Reasonable Suspicion" occurs when "it is objectively reasonable for a person to entertain such a suspicion, when based upon the facts that could cause a reasonable person in a like position, drawing when appropriate on his or her training and experience, to suspect child abuse." (California Penal Code 11166[a]). That said, when does "reasonable" become "unreasonable," or when does objectivity become subjectivity and perhaps the mark, or bruise, or welt being reported by the person was a "source misattribution error?" Perhaps, the child fell off of his/her bicycle or the child suffers from a consumption coagulopathy or platelet disorder and bruises easily and the doctor or nurse misdiagnosed the alleged abuse. Clearly, the line of demarcation separating corporal punishment v. physical child abuse is not black and white but very gray. We have risk assessment tools - psychometric tests - such as the Child Abuse Potential Inventory (CAP Form VI), CTS-PC, AAPI, et al which can be administered to parents accused of acts of physical child abuse to glean if they have a propensity or penchant to perpetrate such acts. The State does not make a good parent and I vehemently disagree that this is not a state control issue. It very much so is. Certainly, Dr. James Dobson agrees with the use of corporal punishment - http://www.creationists.org/corporalpunishment.html Dean Tong, MSc., Forensic Trial Consultant 604 Brentwood Place Brandon, FL 33511 813.657.4930, Ph/Fax 813.417.5362, Cell 800.854.0735, Books/Media http://www.abuse-excuse.com http://www.DeanTong.com Read Dean Tong's articles online at www.newswithviews.com/Tong/deanA.htm Disclaimer: Dean Tong is not an attorney licensed to practice law. His professional opinion herein must not be construed as legal advice. And the recipient of this e-mail should always first query an attorney for professional legal advice. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail please delete the same.