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Re: Are Therapists Potentially Dangerous?
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<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I am not as optimistic as Dr Fontes that the bad practices of the 1980s and 1990s do not still exist in some 'therapeutic' and child welfare professional cultures.<div><br></div><div>Some therapists and social workers remain susceptible to unthinking adherence to certain theoretical models, applying these without knowledge of their limitations, potential for harm (or the vicarious emotional benefits they derive from such practice). </div><div><br></div><div>Almost paranoid beliefs about the prevalence of child abuse, 'Courage to Heal' type therapeutic belief systems, and the misapplication of attachment theory continue to do great harm to many children and families in the UK.</div><div><div><br></div><div>Peter Dale</div><div><br></div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Dr Peter<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dale & Associates Ltd</div><div><i>Independent social work, counselling, training, research, expert witness services</i></div><div><br></div><div>Phone:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>(01424) 424504</div><div>Mobile:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>07903 523 877</div><div>Email:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><a href="mailto:info@peterdale.co.uk";>info@peterdale.co.uk</a></div><div>Website:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><a href="http://www.peterdale.co.uk";>www.peterdale.co.uk</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On 25 May 2009, at 17:38, Toni Cavanagh Johnson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>I echo Lisa's sentiments also. There is nothing to sensationalize about the things we used to do. Yet, this is an important training issue.<br><br>My thoughts run more to personal issues of therapists getting in the way of therapy, e.g. philosophies, theories, money, politics, our feelings, our needs, our desires, our longings, our biases, "un" common sense, poor training in basic therapeutic interventions, etc.<br><br><br>Toni Cavanagh Johnson, Ph.D.<br>1101 Fremont Avenue, Suite 101<br>South Pasadena, California 91030<br>USA<br>Tel: 626-799-4522<br>FAX: 818-790-0139<br><a href="mailto:toni@tcavjohn.com";>toni@tcavjohn.com</a><br>www.tcavjohn.com<br><br><br><br><br>On May 23, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Faller, Kathleen wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Toni,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I echo Lisa's sentiments. I would add that there is still much to be learned about evidence-based treatment and case-management in child sexual abuse and children with sexual behavior problems (I am assuming you are addressing practice in your area of expertise). Many of our colleagues have to treat complex cases where there is no evidence to guide them, or the evidence only addresses a small part of the problems that need to be addressed.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Kathleen Coulborn Faller, Ph.D., A.C.S.W., L.M.S.W.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Marion Elizabeth Blue Professor of Children and Families<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Director of the Family Assessment Clinic<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">School of Social Work<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The University of Michigan<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">1080 S. University<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1106<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">734 998 9700<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">kcfaller@umich.edu<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the named recipients. This communication is protected by federal law, both the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) and 18 United States Code Section 2511. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by phone (collect, if long distance) and destroy the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">message as you would confidential information<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: bounce-3951502-6833631@list.cornell.edu [bounce-3951502-6833631@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of lfontes@rcn.com [lfontes@rcn.com]<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 8:16 AM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: Child Maltreatment Researchers<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: Are Therapists Potentially Dangerous?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This feels like a really delicate topic to me, and it would be CRUCIAL to distinguish between practices performed in the 80's and early 90's when we didn't really know what we were doing in therapies for abused children & adults, and what is being done now. I could see an appeal to sensationalize "bad therapy" based on practices which--one would hope--are no longer being used.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">TOni, I certainly hope you'll provide this context in terms of date & knowledge. I'm sure you will.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Respectfully,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Lisa Fontes, Ph.D.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">---- Original message ----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:44:20 +0100<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: Peter Dale <info@peterdale.co.uk><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: Are Therapists Potentially Dangerous?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: "Child Maltreatment Researchers" <child-maltreatment-research-l@list.cornell.edu><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Toni,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Your might like to dig out my 1999 book: Dale, P.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> (1999) Adults Abused as Children. Experiences of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Counselling and Psychotherapy. London: Sage<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> publications<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> This reported my PhD research project in this area,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> and includes some graphic examples of very damaging<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> 'therapeutic' practice with adults who were abused<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> as children.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Regards,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Peter<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Dr Peter Dale & Associates Ltd<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Independent social work, counselling, training,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> research, expert witness services<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Phone: (01424) 424504<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Mobile: 07903 523 877<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Email: info@peterdale.co.uk<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Website: www.peterdale.co.uk<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> On 22 May 2009, at 01:47, Toni Cavanagh Johnson<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I am preparing a talk and an article on<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> therapists. My thesis is: Are therapists<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> potentially<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> dangerous?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I have examples from my own mistakes and those I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> have seen with<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> others. Do any of you have concerns about the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> efficacy of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> therapists? Are you willing to share with me the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> concerns? If I were<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> to use the example in a lecture or paper, it would<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> be anonymous.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Toni<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Toni Cavanagh Johnson, Ph.D.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> 1101 Fremont Avenue, Suite 101<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> South Pasadena, California 91030<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> USA<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Tel: 626-799-4522<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> FAX: 818-790-0139<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> toni@tcavjohn.com<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> www.tcavjohn.com<br></blockquote></blockquote><br><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>
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