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<DIV><SPAN class=562022814-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Mark,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562022814-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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<DIV><SPAN class=562022814-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am
not aware of any impact studies or court challenges. I wish I could
say otherwise on both counts!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562022814-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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<DIV><SPAN class=562022814-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Peggy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peggy Taylor, MSW</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Project Coordinator</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Office of Child Welfare and Children's
Mental Health</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kansas University School of Social
Welfare</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Twente Hall</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>1545 Lilac Lane</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lawrence, KS 66044</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>785 864 3749</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
bounce-1974323-6834006@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-1974323-6834006@list.cornell.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Chaffin,
Mark J. (HSC)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:05 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Child Maltreatment Researchers <BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: financial impact of out
of home placement on families<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=435280216-23102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Peggy,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=435280216-23102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=435280216-23102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I first learned of this policy in Kansas, and elsewhere,
several years ago. I thought, obviously mistakenly, that the policy would
not survive evaluation or court challenges. Have there been impact
studies, or have there been any court challenges of which you are aware?
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=435280216-23102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>MC</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mark Chaffin, Ph.D.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Professor of Pediatrics</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>University of Oklahoma Health Sciences
Center</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>P.O. Box 26901; CSC 225</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oklahoma City, OK
73190</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>(405) 271-8858</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Taylor, Peggy [mailto:pbillings@ku.edu]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 22, 2007 10:13 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
financial impact of out of home placement on families<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=703354114-22102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It's
my understanding that most states use their child support enforcement
programs to collect parents' monthly share of foster care costs.
With a child support enforcement action in place, any and all parent income
can be garnished by the state. In this circumstance, the state gets its
cut of the parents' already very small income regardless of whether or not the
parent can afford the payment and regardless of the impact on other children
still in the home. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=703354114-22102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=703354114-22102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>There is considerable latitude for agencies and
caseworkers to apply these child support requirements in punitive
ways as well as considerable latitude for agencies and courts to absolve
more 'worthy' parents of this responsibility. Low income parents
required to pay child support to the state may find it impossible to secure
housing adequate to achieve reintegration with their children. On the
other hand, a judge can order a very low child support payment to help a
middle class family afford to place a 'wayward' youth outside of their
home. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=703354114-22102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Child support payment requirements are not the only barrier to
timely family reunification current social policy presents. When children are
removed from the home, parents often lose their TANF benefits, creating
potentially insurmountable barriers to family reunification. Without
Medicaid benefits, parents may not be able to participate in therapeutic
services necessary to achieve family reunification. These
vulnerabilities are compounded by the difficulties most states experience in
providing adequate legal representation for parents in these
circumstances.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=703354114-22102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peggy Taylor, MSW</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Project Coordinator</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Office of Child Welfare and Children's
Mental Health</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kansas University School of Social
Welfare</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Twente Hall</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>1545 Lilac Lane</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lawrence, KS 66044</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>785 864 3749</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
bounce-1960382-6834006@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-1960382-6834006@list.cornell.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Sandra J
Bishop-Josef<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 19, 2007 1:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Child Maltreatment Researchers<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: financial impact of out
of home placement on families<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Do parents actually pay
these costs? Or is it just one of those "on the books" policies that is rarely
implemented? <BR>It's difficult to imagine that parents would have the funds
available.<BR><BR><BR>At 12:07 PM 10/19/2007, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=arial size=2>As of a
few years ago the cost for residential care for kids in Illinois who were
purposely put out of their home by their otherwise competent parents ranged
anywhere from $7,000 per month to $14,000 per month (depending upon the
level of care provided).<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Daniel
Fallon, PsyD<BR><A
href="http://www.licensed-psychologists.com";>www.licensed-psychologists.com</A><BR></FONT> <BR>
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<DD>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<DD>From:</B> <A href="mailto:ChelleP66@aol.com";>ChelleP66@aol.com</A>
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<DD>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:child-maltreatment-research-l@list.cornell.edu";>child-maltreatment-research-l@list.cornell.edu</A>
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<DD>Sent:</B> Friday, October 19, 2007 10:23 AM<BR>
<DD>Subject:</B> Re: financial impact of out of home placement on
families<BR><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#400080>In Illinois, parents are
expected to pay child support to the Illinois Department of Children and
Family Services to offset the cost of the State caring for their
children. <BR>
<DD><BR>
<DD>Michelle Paisley, MSW, LSW<BR>
<DD>Foster Care Supervisor<BR>
<DD>Catholic Charities Diocese of Peoria<BR>
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<DD>In a message dated 10/2/2007 9:03:57 PM Central Daylight Time, <A
href="mailto:toni@tcavjohn.com";>toni@tcavjohn.com</A> writes:<BR></FONT>
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<DD><FONT face=arial size=2>would add that in California parents are
assessed fees for the out-of-home placement and asked to pay for it.
<BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Toni Cavanagh Johnson, Ph.D.<BR>
<DD>1101 Fremont Avenue, Suite 101<BR>
<DD>South Pasadena, California 91030<BR>
<DD>USA<BR>
<DD>Tel: 626-799-4522<BR>
<DD>FAX: 818-790-0139<BR>
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