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New York City has some info on adoptive placements involving siblings in
the report on their web page at:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/acs/html/whatwedo/opireport.html";>http://www.nyc.gov/html/acs/html/whatwedo/opireport.html</a><br>
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You might also want to look at:<br>
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<b>Avery</b>, <b>Rosemary</b> J; Butler, J. S. <font color="#990000">Timeliness
in the adoptive placement of photolisted children: The New York State Blue
Books.</font> [Journal Article] <i>Adoption Quarterly. Vol 4(4) 2001, 19-46.
Haworth Press, US </i><br>
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which has some info on siblings and is a part of a larger report for the
National Institute for Health and Human Development.<br>
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Good luck,<br>
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Aron Shlonsky<br>
Columbia University<br>
School of Social Work<br>
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BEVERLY FORTSON wrote:<br>
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<p>My colleagues and I are interested in research and outcome data on sibling
adoptions. For example, any information you might have on the decision-making
process, especially with large sibling groups, would be helpful. We have
found very little empirical data in the literature and are wondering if individual
agencies collect this information. Thanks in advance!<br>
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________________________</p>
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<div>Beverly L. Fortson, B.S. </div>
<div>Graduate Student</div>
West Virginia University Department of Psychology PO Box 6040 Morgantown,
WV 26506-6040 E-mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bfortson@mix.wvu.edu";>bfortson@mix.wvu.edu</a> >From: "Strathearn, Lane"
<LXSTRATH @texaschildrenshospital.org=""></LXSTRATH>>Reply-To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu";>CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu</a>
>To: Child Maltreatment Researchers <CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L @cornell.edu=""></CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L>
>Subject: RE: Physiological growth of abused children >Date: Tue,
11 Jun 2002 15:57:50 -0500 > >We demonstrated a significantly smaller
head circumference in prem infants >with substantiated neglect, independent
of other growth parameters or >complications of prematurity. This was
evident ot 2 and 4 years of age, but >not at birth, and was associated
with a progressive drop off in cognitive >scores over time. > >Ref:
>Strathearn L, Gray PH, O'Callaghen MJ, Wood DO. Childhood neglect and
>cognitive development in extremely low birth weight infants: A prospective
>study. Pediatrics 2001:108:142-151. ><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ezproxy2.library.tmc.edu:2124/cgi/content/abstract/108/1/142?maxtosho";>http://ezproxy2.library.tmc.edu:2124/cgi/content/abstract/108/1/142?maxtosho</a>
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>============================================ >Dr Lane Strathearn
>Clinical Postdoctoral Fellow >Department of Pediatrics, Baylor College
of Medicine >Meyer Center for Developmental Pediatrics >Texas Children's
Hospital >Clinical Care Center, Suite 1530 >6621 Fannin St. CC1530
>Houston, Texas. 77030-2399 >Tel: 832/822-3422; Fax: 832/825-3399
>Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lxstrath@texaschildrenshospital.org";>lxstrath@texaschildrenshospital.org</a> > >-----Original
Message----- >From: Stephanie Dallam [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:sjd.scout@worldnet.att.net";>mailto:sjd.scout@worldnet.att.net</a>]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:05 PM >To: Child Maltreatment Researchers
>Subject: Re: Physiological growth of abused children > > >
> >I am looking for recent studies dealing with the impact of deferent
types >of >abuse on physiological parameters such as: height, weight,
blood >pressure, heart rate, B.M.I. and sexual development status. >
>Bruce Perry has looked at some of these variables. A list of articles
of his >which can be found online are below. There was also a good article
by >Michael Teicher recently in Scientific American. In the article,
Dr. Teicher >provides an overview of research showing that early maltreatment
can have >enduring and measurable effects on a child's developing brain,
diminishing >growth and reducing activity in key areas. > >Teicher,
M. H. (2002). Scars that Won't Heal: The Neurobiology of Child >Abuse.
Scientific American, 286(3), 68-75. > >Stephanie Dallam > >Articles
by Bruce D. Perry, M.D., Ph.D. > >* Perry, B. D. (1997). Incubated
in Terror: Neurodevelopmental Factors >in the "Cycle of Violence." In
J. Osofsky (Ed.). Children, Youth and >Violence: The Search for Solutions.
(pp. 124-148). New York: Guilford Press. ><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.childtrauma.org/incubated1.htm";>http://www.childtrauma.org/incubated1.htm</a>
><HTTP: incubated1.htm="" www.childtrauma.org=""> How violence alters
the brain </HTTP:>>and nervous system of the developing child. >
>* Perry, B. D. (1997). Altered Brain Development ><HTTP: neuros~1.htm="" cta="" www.bcm.tmc.edu="">
Following Global Neglect in Early </HTTP:>>Childhood. (1997). Academy
version of a paper presented at the Society for >Neuroscience Annual
Meeting, New Orleans. > >* Perry, B. D., & Marcellus, J. (1997).
The Impact of Abuse ><HTTP: www.bcm.tmc.edu="" abusebrain.htm="" civitas="">
and Neglect on the </HTTP:>>Developing Brain. (1997) > >* Perry,
B.D. Neurobiological ><HTTP: www.bcm.tmc.edu="" civitas="" ptsd_child.htm="">
sequelae of Childhood </HTTP:>>Trauma: Post-traumatic Stress Disorders
in Children. > >* Perry, B.D. (1998). Anxiety Disorders. In C.E.
Coffey & R.A. >Brumback (Eds.), Textbook of Pediatric Neuropsychiatry.
(pp. 579-594). >Washington, D.C: American Psychiatric Press, Inc. ><HTTP: www.childtrauma.org="" anxiety_disorder.htm=""></HTTP:>
><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.childtrauma.org/anxiety_disorder.htm";>http://www.childtrauma.org/anxiety_disorder.htm</a> > >* Perry, B.D.
(1999). The memories of states: How the brain stores and >retrieves traumatic
experience. In J.M. Goodwin & R. Attias (Eds.), >Splintered Reflections:
Images of the Body In Trauma. (pp. 9-38). New York: >Basic Books. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.childtrauma.org/Memories.htm";>http://www.childtrauma.org/Memories.htm</a>
><HTTP: www.childtrauma.org="" memories.htm=""></HTTP:>> >* Perry,
B.D. (1999). <HTTP: cta="" www.bcm.tmc.edu="" vio_child.htm=""></HTTP:>>Violence
and Childhood: How Persisting Fear Can Alter the Developing >Child's
Brain. > >* Perry, B.D. (2000). The neurodevelopmental impact of
violence in >childhood. In D. Schetky & E. Benedek (Eds.), Textbook
of Child and >Adolescent Forensic Psychiatry. Washington, D.C.: American
Psychiatric >Press, Inc. > >* Perry, B.D. (2001) The neuroarcheology
of childhood maltreatment: >the neurodevelopmental costs of adverse childhood
events. In B. Geffner >(Ed.), The Cost of Child Maltreatment: Who Pays?
We All Do. San Diego, CA: >Family Violence & Sexual Assault Institute.
><HTTP: www.childtrauma.org="" neuroarcheology.htm=""></HTTP:>><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.childtrauma.org/Neuroarcheology.htm";>http://www.childtrauma.org/Neuroarcheology.htm</a>
> >* Perry, B.D. (2001). Trauma and Terror in Childhood: The >Neuropsychiatric
Impact of Childhood Trauma. In Ed., I. Schulz, S. Carella & >D.O.
Brady (Eds.). Handbook of Psychological Injuries: Evaluation, Treatment
>and Compensable Damages. American Bar Association Publishing. ><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.childtrauma.org/trauma_and_terror.htm";>http://www.childtrauma.org/trauma_and_terror.htm</a>
><HTTP: www.childtrauma.org="" trauma_and_terror.htm=""></HTTP:>>
>* Perry, B.D. (in press). Sexual Abuse of ><HTTP: www.childtrauma.org="" infant_abuse.htm="">
Infants. A five-part question </HTTP:>>focusing on sexual abuse during
infancy > >* Perry, BD, Conroy, L and Ravitz, A Persisting psychophysiological
>effects of traumatic stress: The memory of "states".Violence Update
1:(8), >1-11, 1991. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.childtrauma.org/memory_states.htm";>http://www.childtrauma.org/memory_states.htm</a> ><HTTP: www.childtrauma.org="" memory_states.htm=""></HTTP:>
> >* Perry, B.D., & Pollard, R. (1998). Homeostasis, stress, trauma,
and >adaptation: A neurodevelopmental view of childhood trauma. Child
and >Adolescent Psychiatric Clinics of North America, 7, 33-51. ><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.childtrauma.org/pollard.htm";>http://www.childtrauma.org/pollard.htm</a>
><HTTP: www.childtrauma.org="" pollard.htm=""></HTTP:>> > >
This chapter discusses the impact of traumatic experiences on the >development
and functioning of children as viewed through the lens of >developmental
neurobiology. The recurring theme in a neurodevelopmental >view is the
remarkable malleability of the developing brain. Dr. Perry shows >how
the brain's exquisite sensitivity to experience in early childhood >allows
traumatic experiences during infancy and childhood to impact all >future
emotional, behavioral, cognitive, social and physiological >functioning.
> >* Perry, B.D., Pollard, R.A., Blakley, T.L., Baker, W.L., &
>Vigilante, D. (1995). Childhood trauma, the neurobiology of adaptation
and >use-dependent development of the brain: How states become traits.
Infant >Mental Health Journal, 16, 271-291. ><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.childtrauma.org/states_traits.htm";>http://www.childtrauma.org/states_traits.htm</a>
><HTTP: www.childtrauma.org="" states_traits.htm=""></HTTP:>> >
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From: "john murray" <psychometre@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: boot camps
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 07:29:55 +0000
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<P style="BORDER-RIGHT: black; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: black; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-right-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS">Ever wonder why no one can point to a decent longitudinal survey that has tracked what happens to 'looked after children'.</FONT></P>
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<P>In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:53:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, </P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Swensocc@musc.edu writes:
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<DIV></DIV>> Not surprising considering that deviant peer association is the strongest
<DIV></DIV>> predictor of delinquent behavior and boot camps basically bring deviant
<DIV></DIV>> peers together.
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<DIV></DIV>Also, don't forget the impact of abuse. Many altnerative placements, such as
<DIV></DIV>boot camps, feature "therapeutic" interventions that would, in a
<DIV></DIV>non-therapeutic context, constitute child abuse.
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<DIV></DIV>Jonathan E. Schiff
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John ... I'm off for a few days R&R and can't
respond at the moment. But ... I think I may have a useful response to
your query below. My agency is, in fact, working with a major local
university to, in fact, accomplish the longitudinal study.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS">Ever wonder why no one can point to a decent
longitudinal survey that has tracked what happens to 'looked after
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style="BORDER-RIGHT: black; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: black; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-right-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><FONT
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size=2></FONT><BR> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </P>
<P> </P>
<P>In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:53:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, </P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Swensocc@musc.edu writes:
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> Not surprising considering that deviant peer association is
the strongest
<DIV></DIV>> predictor of delinquent behavior and boot camps basically
bring deviant
<DIV></DIV>> peers together.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Also, don't forget the impact of abuse. Many altnerative
placements, such as
<DIV></DIV>boot camps, feature "therapeutic" interventions that would, in a
<DIV></DIV>non-therapeutic context, constitute child abuse.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Jonathan E. Schiff
<DIV></DIV></DIV><BR clear=all>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
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decent longitudinal survey that has tracked what happens to 'looked after
children'<SPAN class=375143518-01112002><<</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN class=375143518-01112002>"Decent" is a
pretty subjective term, but there have certainly been studies that followed
children through Care systems and beyond. (Barth, Pilavian,
Longscan,etc.) Unfortunately, their findings have been depressing, at
least for me.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT
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Kokish at Delson-Kokish Associates, P.O. Box 476, Trinidad, CA
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Evaluations, Consultation &
Training<BR>
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fax<BR>
ron@delko.net email
www.delko.net<BR>***************************************************************************
</FONT></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu
[mailto:owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>john murray<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:30
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Child Maltreatment Researchers<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: boot
camps<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P
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face="Arial Unicode MS">Also no doubt, many of the children in boot camps have
previously been in the care of the State, had that experience set them up for
failure, and simply been moved along the conveyor, that Carrington calls the
'Welfare/Justice Nexus' into more coercive arms of social
control.<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P
style="BORDER-RIGHT: black; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: black; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-right-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS">If we look at many child welfare 'interventions' from
the 'punishing bad mothers' position, we see that the children lose out from
child welfare as social control- ex-judicial punishment.<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P
style="BORDER-RIGHT: black; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: black; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-right-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS">Of course, when we try to work out systems by looking
at only the outputs only, not researching the environments- so children (or
adults previously in child welfare) not systems, and systems failures, we
often learn nought.<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P
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face="Arial Unicode MS">Ever wonder why no one can point to a decent
longitudinal survey that has tracked what happens to 'looked after
children'.</FONT></P>
<P
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<P> </P>
<P>In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:53:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, </P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Swensocc@musc.edu writes:
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> Not surprising considering that deviant peer association is
the strongest
<DIV></DIV>> predictor of delinquent behavior and boot camps basically
bring deviant
<DIV></DIV>> peers together.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Also, don't forget the impact of abuse. Many altnerative
placements, such as
<DIV></DIV>boot camps, feature "therapeutic" interventions that would, in a
<DIV></DIV>non-therapeutic context, constitute child abuse.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Jonathan E. Schiff
<DIV></DIV></DIV><BR clear=all>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also, contact the National Research Institute for
Child and Family Studies at Girls and Boys Town. Email Connie Spath (<A
href="mailto:spathc@girlsandboystown.org";>spathc@girlsandboystown.org</A>) for
an annotated bibliography of published research and technical reports from 1990
to 2000. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><BR>“If a man has reported to you that a certain person <BR>speaks ill of
you, do not make any defense to what<BR>has been told you but reply, `the man
did not know <BR>the rest of my faults, or he would not have mentioned<BR>these
only.' ” </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>— Epictetus, Enchiridion </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Daniel Fallon, Psy.D.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ron@delko.net href="mailto:ron@delko.net";>Ron Kokish</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu
href="mailto:CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu";>Child Maltreatment
Researchers</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 01, 2002 12:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: boot camps</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
class=375143518-01112002>>></SPAN>Ever wonder why no one can point to a
decent longitudinal survey that has tracked what happens to 'looked after
children'<SPAN class=375143518-01112002><<</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
class=375143518-01112002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN class=375143518-01112002>"Decent" is
a pretty subjective term, but there have certainly been studies that followed
children through Care systems and beyond. (Barth, Pilavian,
Longscan,etc.) Unfortunately, their findings have been depressing, at
least for me.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT
size=2>***************************************************************************<BR> Ron
Kokish at Delson-Kokish Associates, P.O. Box 476, Trinidad, CA
95570<BR> Clinical and Forensic
Evaluations, Consultation &
Training<BR>
(707) 677-3181 voice 677-0187
fax<BR>
ron@delko.net email
www.delko.net<BR>***************************************************************************
</FONT></P>
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owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu
[mailto:owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>john murray<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:30
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Child Maltreatment Researchers<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: boot
camps<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P
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face="Arial Unicode MS">Also no doubt, many of the children in boot camps
have previously been in the care of the State, had that experience set them
up for failure, and simply been moved along the conveyor, that Carrington
calls the 'Welfare/Justice Nexus' into more coercive arms of social
control.<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P
style="BORDER-RIGHT: black; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: black; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-right-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS">If we look at many child welfare 'interventions'
from the 'punishing bad mothers' position, we see that the children lose out
from child welfare as social control- ex-judicial
punishment.<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P
style="BORDER-RIGHT: black; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: black; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-right-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS">Of course, when we try to work out systems by
looking at only the outputs only, not researching the environments- so
children (or adults previously in child welfare) not systems, and systems
failures, we often learn nought.<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P
style="BORDER-RIGHT: black; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: black; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-right-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS">Ever wonder why no one can point to a decent
longitudinal survey that has tracked what happens to 'looked after
children'.</FONT></P>
<P
style="BORDER-RIGHT: black; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: black; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-right-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS"> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P
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<P
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<P><BR> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P>In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:53:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
</P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Swensocc@musc.edu writes:
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> Not surprising considering that deviant peer association is
the strongest
<DIV></DIV>> predictor of delinquent behavior and boot camps basically
bring deviant
<DIV></DIV>> peers together.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Also, don't forget the impact of abuse. Many altnerative
placements, such as
<DIV></DIV>boot camps, feature "therapeutic" interventions that would, in a
<DIV></DIV>non-therapeutic context, constitute child abuse.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Jonathan E. Schiff
<DIV></DIV></DIV><BR clear=all>
<HR>
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From: rbarth@email.unc.edu (Rick Barth)
To: Child Maltreatment Researchers <CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: boot camps and outcomes of foster care
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Ron: There is some light on the horizon, with regard to outcomes of foster care.
There is growing evidence that foster care provides a developmental boost for
children and some additional efforts to provide educational and housing support to
try to help youth make these transitions. I'm encouraged, really, by the
resources and expertise now devoted to the promotion of independent living, but
also recognize that we have a long way to go before we have an effective set of
interventions for foster youth and former foster youth.
If I were to allow myself to be depressed by what is going on for foster children,
it would be about the pitiful funding and unexplored technology for post-foster
care services for younger children and their families. We have devoted $140
million dollars a year in federal money for youth transitioning into adulthood,
but we have 8 to 10 times as many youth who leave foster care each year
transitioning home, where they also experience continued and substantial
vulnerability. They have no equivalent funding source--only a fraction of Safe
and Stable Families money is available to provide post-reunification services.
This is our greatest challenge, I think--getting enough flexibility in foster care
funding to provide the kind of care we should for children returning home.
Rick
Richard P. Barth, Ph.D.
Frank A Daniels Professor and
Chair of the Doctoral Program
School of Social Work
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From: "Ron Kokish" <ron@delko.net>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:38:09 -0800
Subject: RE: boot camps
To: Child Maltreatment Researchers <CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu>
Reply-To: <ron@delko.net>
>>Ever wonder why no one can point to a decent longitudinal survey that has
tracked what happens to 'looked after children'<<
"Decent" is a pretty subjective term, but there have certainly been studies
that followed children through Care systems and beyond. (Barth, Pilavian,
Longscan,etc.) Unfortunately, their findings have been depressing, at least
for me.
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From: owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu
[mailto:owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu]On Behalf Of john
murray
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:30 PM
To: Child Maltreatment Researchers
Subject: Re: boot camps
Also no doubt, many of the children in boot camps have previously been in
the care of the State, had that experience set them up for failure, and
simply been moved along the conveyor, that Carrington calls the
'Welfare/Justice Nexus' into more coercive arms of social control.
If we look at many child welfare 'interventions' from the 'punishing bad
mothers' position, we see that the children lose out from child welfare as
social control- ex-judicial punishment.
Of course, when we try to work out systems by looking at only the outputs
only, not researching the environments- so children (or adults previously in
child welfare) not systems, and systems failures, we often learn nought.
Ever wonder why no one can point to a decent longitudinal survey that has
tracked what happens to 'looked after children'.
Best interest of the child to all.
John Murray
In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:53:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Swensocc@musc.edu writes:
> Not surprising considering that deviant peer association is the
strongest
> predictor of delinquent behavior and boot camps basically bring deviant
> peers together.
Also, don't forget the impact of abuse. Many altnerative placements, such
as
boot camps, feature "therapeutic" interventions that would, in a
non-therapeutic context, constitute child abuse.
Jonathan E. Schiff
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