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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>Several members of the faculty
at Tel-Aviv University School of Social Work, have formed a forum that is
interested in developing a training program for supervisors who are working with
professionals suffering from secondary trauma in the field of
children-at-risk. </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>We expect
that this group will, in the future become the core of supervisors working with
the CPS and social workers exposed to child abuse.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>If you know of anyone who is
qualified to train such professionals and is interested in coming to Israel for
a number of days to run a workshop and help us create an ongoing program, please
let us know.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>We will be able to cover travel
and living expenses.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>Thank you,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>Yuta
Schechter</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Strathearn, Lane" <lxstrath@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
To: Child Maltreatment Researchers <CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: sibling incest and consent
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:04:16 -0600
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=053545112-01012002>Although I am not overly-conversant with the literature
in this area, I am concerned about the inference that sexual relations between
adult and adolescent males are without harmful effects, regardless of the
"consensual" nature of the relationship. We are all aware of the inherent biases
associated with retrospective studies, and the multitude of social factors that
can impact on a person's perception of childhood events. Measures of
self-esteem and positive sexual identity in a gay and bisexual population would
seem to be particularly vulnerable to bias. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=053545112-01012002>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>============================================</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dr Lane Strathearn</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Fellow in Neurodevelopmental Pediatrics</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Department of Pediatrics, Baylor College of Medicine</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Meyer Center for Developmental Pediatrics</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Texas Children's Hospital</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>MC 3-2335</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ho</FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>us</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>ton, Texas. 77030-2399</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Ph: 832 824 3422; Fax: 832 825 3399</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Email: lxstrath@texaschildrenshospital.org</FONT>
</P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
Ron Kokish [mailto:ron@delko.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 31, 2001 1:29
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Child Maltreatment Researchers<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: sibling
incest and consent<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=552102407-31122001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Indeed, it may be
wise to take the "victim's" word for it in "sexual abuse" cases other than
just sibling incest. Victim advocates typically and rightfully urge us
to "listen to victims." I agree, even when it disturbs our own view of
things. For example:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=552102407-31122001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=552102407-31122001>Rind, Bruce<STRONG> Gay and bisexual
adolescent boys' sexual experiences with men: An empirical examination of
psychological correlates in a nonclinical sample. .</STRONG> Archives of
Sexual Behavior. Kluwer Academic/ Plenum Publishers: US, 2001 Aug. 30 (4): p.
345-368 Language: English. Pub type: Empirical
Study<BR><BR><STRONG>Abstract: </STRONG>Over the last quarter century the
incest model, with its image of helpless victims exploited and traumatized by
powerful perpetrators, has come to dominate perceptions of virtually all forms
of adult-minor sex. Thus, even willing sexual relations between gay or
bisexual adolescent boys and adult men, which differ from father-daughter
incest in many important ways, are generally seen by the lay public and
professionals as traumatizing and psychologically injurious. This study
assessed this common perception by examining a nonclinical, mostly college
sample of gay and bisexual men. Of the 129 men (aged 17-25 yrs) in the study,
26 were identified as having had age-discrepant sexual relations (ADSRs) as
adolescents between 12 and 17 yrs of age with adult males. Men with ADSR
experiences were as well adjusted as controls in terms of self-esteem and
having achieved a positive sexual identity. Reactions to the ADSRs were
predominantly positive, and most ADSRs were willingly engaged in. Younger
adolescents were just as willing and reacted at least as positively as older
adolescents. Data on sexual identity development indicated that ADSRs played
no role in creating same-sex sexual interests, contrary to the "seduction"
hypothesis. Findings were inconsistent with the incest model.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT
size=2>***************************************************************************<BR> Ron
Kokish at Delson-Kokish Associates, P.O. Box 476, Trinidad, CA
95570<BR> Clinical and Forensic
Evaluations, Consultation &
Training<BR>
(707)677-3181-voice
(707)677-0187-fax<BR>
ron@delko.net-email
www.northcoast.com/~dka<BR>***************************************************************************<BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu
[mailto:owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Tom Oellerich<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 29, 2001 2:11
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Child Maltreatment Researchers<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
sibling incest and consent<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>For legal purposes
perhaps. But otherwise why - why can we not take the person's word
that it was voluntary? Age differences are irrelevant - see
Kilpatrick, A. 1992) Long-range effects of child and adolescent sexual
experiences: Myths, mores and menaces.<BR><BR>At 05:49 PM 12/27/2001 -0700,
you wrote:<BR><BR><FONT size=2>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite" cite="">I would never consider small age
differences the only criteria for deciding if an act was consensual. Given
the way you report this girl described the encounters they were clearly
not consensual. But I do think that with children very close in age
whether it was consensual or not needs to be specifically considered
whereas when there is a large age difference, even if the victim-child
states it was voluntary we return to the issue of whether children can
give 'informed consent' to sexual encounters.<BR></FONT><BR>Christina
Risley-Curtiss, MSSW, PhD <BR><FONT size=2>Associate Professor &
Co-Director, Child Welfare Training Project</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Arizona State University</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>School of Social
Work</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Tempe, AZ 85287-1802</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>480-965-6076</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Fax: 480-965-5986</FONT>
<BR><BR><BR><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>From: lisa fontes [<A
href="mailto:lfontes@javanet.com";>mailto:lfontes@javanet.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 5:12 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>To: Child Maltreatment Researchers</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Subject: Re: sibling incest and consent</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
size=2>Even the seemingly "neat" categories supplied by Jennifer Guimond
below are</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>messy. I remember a student disclosing
to me tearfully after a university</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>class on child
sexual abuse that her brother--who was less than 2 years</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>older--had dragged her off to his room IN FRONT OF THEIR PARENTS
"for a good</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>tickling" repeatedly over the years.
She had tried to disclose to her</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>parents who
hadn't believed her. he was (and remains) the preferred son--on</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>his way to medical school, while she was (and remains)
the troubled younger</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>sister. She was quite
distressed to learn that their relations would be</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>considered "consensual" because of their relatively small age
difference.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>She did not feel they were consensual
at all. I guess there are many ways in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>which a
sibling can have power over another--and many would not be</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>discovered in a typical quantiative research
study.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT size=2>Jennifer Guimond wrote:</FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT size=2>> The consent issue in sibling incest can be
pretty fuzzy when the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> siblings in question
are close in age and no obvious coercion is</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>
present. My reading of the literature suggests that sexual
contact</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> between siblings can be classified in
three ways:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>
1. age-appropriate sexual play and exploration by children of
similar</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> age.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>
2. sexual abuse in which one child clearly has more power than
the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> other due to age, status in the family,
physical strength, etc.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> 3. consensual
age-inappropriate sexual contact such as an 11-year-old</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>> and 12-year-old having consensual sexual intercourse.</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> The first two scenarios
have been studied, but the third scenario is</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>
less understood. The third scenario involves sexual contact that is
not</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> age-appropriate exploration but is also
not coercive. When researchers</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> study
sexual abuse, they use a 5 year age difference between the victim</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>> and the perpetrator as a criteria for sexual
abuse. Thus, many cases of</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> sibling
incest (as well as incest with cousins) may be overlooked.</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> I find the topic
fascinating and I would love to exchange e-mail and</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>> share references with anyone else on the list.</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> Jennifer Guimond</FONT>
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From: "Ron Kokish" <ron@delko.net>
To: Child Maltreatment Researchers <CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: sibling incest and consent
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:45:01 -0800
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<DIV><SPAN class=008261122-01012002><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Yes, bias is always
a problem to be contended with. That much is evident from your post and
probably from mine as well. So, given the inevitability of bias, what
meaning do you suggest we impart to "unpopular" data like Rind's?
If measures of self esteem and positive sexual identity are vulnerable and
time and social factors skew perceptions of our childhood and
you and I are biased, what's left? A kind of nihilism?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=008261122-01012002><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=008261122-01012002><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I think John
Price's comments regarding sibling incest were simply saying that people's
reports of their personal experiences are worth something. Why is it so
difficult listen to and consider such reports without immediately bringing
up our (own) "concerns?" We appear willing enough to give
credibility to victims when they tell us how they suffered or how damaged they
are. Why are we less willing to listen to people who report a different
sort of child-adult sexual experience? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=008261122-01012002><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Rind's study, while
interesting is hardly novel. Kilpatrick had similar
retrospective data from women 15 years earlier. </FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=008261122-01012002>(</SPAN>Kilpatrick,
A.C., <I>Some correlates of women's childhood sexual experiences: A
retrospective study.</I> Journal of Sex Research, 1986. <B>22</B>(2): p.
221-242.<SPAN class=008261122-01012002>) Adult child sexual encounters are
NOT necessarily harmful, especially when they occur after onset of
puberty.) </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<P><SPAN class=008261122-01012002><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>And then there
are the (in)famous Rind/Tromovitch 1997 and 1998 meta-analyses. Good
science, bad politics.</FONT> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=008261122-01012002>Why must we be
so quickly concerned over the mere possibility <FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>that sexual relations between adult and legal minors are
(sometimes) without harmful effects? What if that's really so? What
if, in spite of all the potential biases inherent in most research, this were
really so? What would that mean to us as researchers? As
clinicians? As citizens? As parents? As sexual
beings?</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><FONT
size=2>***************************************************************************<BR> Ron
Kokish at Delson-Kokish Associates, P.O. Box 476, Trinidad, CA
95570<BR> Clinical and Forensic
Evaluations, Consultation &
Training<BR>
(707)677-3181-voice
(707)677-0187-fax<BR>
ron@delko.net-email
www.northcoast.com/~dka<BR>***************************************************************************<BR></P></FONT>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu
[mailto:owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Strathearn, Lane<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 01, 2002 6:04
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Child Maltreatment Researchers<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: sibling
incest and consent<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=053545112-01012002>Although I am not overly-conversant with the
literature in this area, I am concerned about the inference that sexual
relations between adult and adolescent males are without harmful effects,
regardless of the "consensual" nature of the relationship. We are all aware of
the inherent biases associated with retrospective studies, and the multitude
of social factors that can impact on a person's perception of childhood
events. Measures of self-esteem and positive sexual identity in a gay and
bisexual population would seem to be particularly vulnerable to bias.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=053545112-01012002>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>============================================</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dr Lane Strathearn</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Fellow in Neurodevelopmental Pediatrics</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Department of Pediatrics, Baylor College of Medicine</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Meyer Center for Developmental Pediatrics</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Texas Children's Hospital</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>MC 3-2335</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ho</FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>us</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>ton, Texas. 77030-2399</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ph: 832 824 3422; Fax: 832 825 3399</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Email: lxstrath@texaschildrenshospital.org</FONT>
</P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
Ron Kokish [mailto:ron@delko.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 31, 2001
1:29 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Child Maltreatment Researchers<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
sibling incest and consent<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=552102407-31122001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Indeed, it may
be wise to take the "victim's" word for it in "sexual abuse" cases other
than just sibling incest. Victim advocates typically and rightfully
urge us to "listen to victims." I agree, even when it disturbs our own
view of things. For example:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=552102407-31122001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=552102407-31122001>Rind, Bruce<STRONG> Gay and bisexual
adolescent boys' sexual experiences with men: An empirical examination of
psychological correlates in a nonclinical sample. .</STRONG> Archives of
Sexual Behavior. Kluwer Academic/ Plenum Publishers: US, 2001 Aug. 30 (4):
p. 345-368 Language: English. Pub type: Empirical
Study<BR><BR><STRONG>Abstract: </STRONG>Over the last quarter century the
incest model, with its image of helpless victims exploited and traumatized
by powerful perpetrators, has come to dominate perceptions of virtually all
forms of adult-minor sex. Thus, even willing sexual relations between gay or
bisexual adolescent boys and adult men, which differ from father-daughter
incest in many important ways, are generally seen by the lay public and
professionals as traumatizing and psychologically injurious. This study
assessed this common perception by examining a nonclinical, mostly college
sample of gay and bisexual men. Of the 129 men (aged 17-25 yrs) in the
study, 26 were identified as having had age-discrepant sexual relations
(ADSRs) as adolescents between 12 and 17 yrs of age with adult males. Men
with ADSR experiences were as well adjusted as controls in terms of
self-esteem and having achieved a positive sexual identity. Reactions to the
ADSRs were predominantly positive, and most ADSRs were willingly engaged in.
Younger adolescents were just as willing and reacted at least as positively
as older adolescents. Data on sexual identity development indicated that
ADSRs played no role in creating same-sex sexual interests, contrary to the
"seduction" hypothesis. Findings were inconsistent with the incest
model.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT
size=2>***************************************************************************<BR> Ron
Kokish at Delson-Kokish Associates, P.O. Box 476, Trinidad, CA
95570<BR> Clinical and Forensic
Evaluations, Consultation &
Training<BR>
(707)677-3181-voice
(707)677-0187-fax<BR>
ron@delko.net-email
www.northcoast.com/~dka<BR>***************************************************************************<BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu
[mailto:owner-CHILD-MALTREATMENT-RESEARCH-L@cornell.edu]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Tom Oellerich<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 29, 2001 2:11
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Child Maltreatment Researchers<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
sibling incest and consent<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>For legal purposes
perhaps. But otherwise why - why can we not take the person's word
that it was voluntary? Age differences are irrelevant - see
Kilpatrick, A. 1992) Long-range effects of child and adolescent sexual
experiences: Myths, mores and menaces.<BR><BR>At 05:49 PM 12/27/2001
-0700, you wrote:<BR><BR><FONT size=2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">I would never consider small age
differences the only criteria for deciding if an act was consensual.
Given the way you report this girl described the encounters they were
clearly not consensual. But I do think that with children very close in
age whether it was consensual or not needs to be specifically considered
whereas when there is a large age difference, even if the victim-child
states it was voluntary we return to the issue of whether children can
give 'informed consent' to sexual encounters.<BR></FONT><BR>Christina
Risley-Curtiss, MSSW, PhD <BR><FONT size=2>Associate Professor &
Co-Director, Child Welfare Training Project</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Arizona State University</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>School of Social
Work</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Tempe, AZ 85287-1802</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>480-965-6076</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Fax: 480-965-5986</FONT>
<BR><BR><BR><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>From: lisa fontes [<A
href="mailto:lfontes@javanet.com";>mailto:lfontes@javanet.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 5:12 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>To: Child Maltreatment Researchers</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Subject: Re: sibling incest and consent</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
size=2>Even the seemingly "neat" categories supplied by Jennifer Guimond
below are</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>messy. I remember a student disclosing
to me tearfully after a university</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>class on
child sexual abuse that her brother--who was less than 2 years</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>older--had dragged her off to his room IN FRONT OF
THEIR PARENTS "for a good</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>tickling" repeatedly
over the years. She had tried to disclose to her</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>parents who hadn't believed her. he was (and remains) the
preferred son--on</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>his way to medical school,
while she was (and remains) the troubled younger</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>sister. She was quite distressed to learn that their relations
would be</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>considered "consensual" because of
their relatively small age difference.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>She did
not feel they were consensual at all. I guess there are many ways
in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>which a sibling can have power over
another--and many would not be</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>discovered in a
typical quantiative research study.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT size=2>Jennifer
Guimond wrote:</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT size=2>> The consent issue in
sibling incest can be pretty fuzzy when the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>
siblings in question are close in age and no obvious coercion is</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>> present. My reading of the literature
suggests that sexual contact</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> between
siblings can be classified in three ways:</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> 1. age-appropriate sexual
play and exploration by children of similar</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>
age.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> 2. sexual abuse in which one
child clearly has more power than the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> other
due to age, status in the family, physical strength, etc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>> 3. consensual age-inappropriate sexual
contact such as an 11-year-old</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> and
12-year-old having consensual sexual intercourse.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> The first two scenarios have
been studied, but the third scenario is</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>
less understood. The third scenario involves sexual contact that
is not</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> age-appropriate exploration but is
also not coercive. When researchers</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>
study sexual abuse, they use a 5 year age difference between the
victim</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> and the perpetrator as a criteria
for sexual abuse. Thus, many cases of</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>
sibling incest (as well as incest with cousins) may be
overlooked.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> I
find the topic fascinating and I would love to exchange e-mail
and</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> share references with anyone else on
the list.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>
Jennifer Guimond</FONT>
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From: "Strathearn, Lane" <lxstrath@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
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>Although I am not overly-conversant with the literature in this
>area, I am concerned about the inference that sexual relations
>between adult and adolescent males are without harmful effects,
>regardless of the "consensual" nature of the relationship.
This is confusing. Did you mean to say that an inference can be drawn
this way: "without regard to consent, male adult-adolescent sexual
relations are harmless?"
Or did you mean to take issue with an inference drawn this way:
"consenting sexual relations between adult-adolescent males are without
harmful effects"?
Please clarify. What exactly are your concerns -- with 'consent' or with
lack of harm being inferred for some activities judged immoral?
One might ask, how can we prevent even incorrect inferences being drawn
from any study of sexual behaviour?
>We are all aware of the inherent biases associated with
>retrospective studies, and the multitude of social factors that
>can impact on a person's perception of childhood events.
Does this presume, in your opinion, that perceptions of childhood events
are biased *in one direction*? -- i.e., that biases and social factors
tend to add a negative gloss to current perceptions? And I would ask you
why you have reframed the terms: why have 'gay and bisexual adolescents'
become 'children'? The subjects interviewed in the Savin-Williams study
range in age from 17-23 years of age, you will have noted.
>Measures of self-esteem and positive sexual identity in a gay
>and bisexual population would seem to be particularly
>vulnerable to bias.
I would ask, bias in which direction? If you are contending that gay
and bisexual adolescents and young men tend to *inflate* self-reported
measures of self-esteem and positive sexual identity, or that they tend
to *decrease* these measures?
Do you have any findings to support either of these contentions? Why
would gay and bisexual populations seem to be subject to a "particular"
bias one way or another?
I ask this because the first contention seems to lack face validity --
if gay and bisexual teens tend to inflate measures of positive sexual
identity, how would this contention jibe with social efforts to *raise*
gay teens' self-esteen, and with their reported feelings of social
exclusion, discrimination and isolation? How would this contention jibe
with efforts to provide gay teens with remedies for elevated levels of
suicidality and depression? How would this jibe with high-school denials
and disavowals of this "positive" orientation?
To put a sharper point to my questions: Do gay teens lie about how great
it is to be gay (or bisexual)? Do they tend to lie about how solid and
rewarding is their awareness of this orientation?
Please show us some data on gay adolescents which would show evidence
of this bias toward "positive sexual identity"?
> ============================================
> Dr Lane Strathearn
> Fellow in Neurodevelopmental Pediatrics
> Department of Pediatrics, Baylor College of Medicine
> Meyer Center for Developmental Pediatrics
> Texas Children's Hospital
> MC 3-2335
> Houston, Texas. 77030-2399
> Ph: 832 824 3422; Fax: 832 825 3399
> Email: lxstrath@texaschildrenshospital.org